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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 18, 2010 - 07:58pm PT
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LEB...can i point out the obvious here...the country was run into the ground thanks to Bush's lack of integrity and the voodoo economics his party practiced...our country was in a RECESSION...What you advocate doing is nothing and letting the economy stay in a recession...can you explain how obama's strategies are dangerous? The republicans have not given his strategies time to play out and the republicans are going all out , at the expense of the economy to make obama look bad...you support this type of unethical behavior...i doubt it..? I'm waiting for a logical answer...rj
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 08:48pm PT
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LEB, the funny thing is, I'm asking what your party did *when it was in power.* Not recently during the past two years of the Obama admin.
You want to put the GOP back in the White House. Well, why? What did they do that you like so much when they were in there?
The current agenda of the GOP is the same as it was with Bush was in power, nothing has changed. You keep saying you're not a Bush fan, but you want to return to those same policies.
So again, what is it that they have done that you've liked.
Maybe this will work--what is it that you think the GOP will do for you if they gain power. And, you talk of all this Obama stuff they're stopping. Can you articulate specifically what you are talking about? I'd like to know what it is he's trying to do that you find so harmful.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 08:58pm PT
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Fatty, I know it would have been a hard pill to swallow, but I think the TARP fiasco should not have been. Just an enormous hand-out to those that had already ruined many. The cost would have been dire, but it would have been worth it.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 18, 2010 - 09:07pm PT
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LEB...True about Bush but how do we know Obama is screwing up? The stock market is up...He's only been in office for 2 years...He;s doing something which is more than Bush or McCain was proposing to do...Obama get's 4 years so give the guy his chance and if he fails vote for Sara Palin....I don't think most of the people posting here on the taco could be considered liberal except for maybe WesChrist...the rest of us are moderate fiscal conservatives... besides Liberal is a buzz word that fox news and Limbaugh use to discredit anybody that doesn't march lockstep with the ultra neo-conservatives elitist idealogy...rj
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
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LEB, nice reply, thanks for putting all that out on the table. I'm crtainly not going to argue against your ideals.
This thread is so long-lived because we all really care about this place we call the US and we all want to see the best things happen in her regard. The corruption in Gov't is thick and multi-leveled. It's like a cancer and it keeps spreading to different organs. The fact that politicians lick the boots of the powerful to gain their seats means that no party is immune to the corruption. The Fed is the same under Obama as it was under Bush.
Obama rode into the White House on a promise of change. He has tried hard to keep his campaign promises--promises that no GOP'er in their right mind would go near. Transparency in Gov't, closing Guantanamo, ending the Iraq war. Only time will tell how successful he'll be with his initial agenda. However, we do know that whatever he does accomplish, it won't be with a helping hand from those "across the isle." That was made clear on Day One. It's too bad too, because that was another tenet of his campaign--to work across the isle. But obstructionism is the key tenet of the GOP these days, so we take watered down health bills, watered down this, and watered down that.
Remember, $70 Billion a year on tax cuts for the rich. That's what the GOP just gave us. Don't forget to tell me when you feel that trickling down.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 18, 2010 - 11:05pm PT
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1. Register as a Dem.
2. Run for Pres.
3, Win.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 19, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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Yet LEB still supports the lunacy of the republican party...go figure...? rj
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 19, 2010 - 12:57am PT
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See how I don't intrude(said as I intrude) much, there ol' LEB?
Take notice. Thank you.
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 19, 2010 - 01:11am PT
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I think obhama will be gone in the next election,,,
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 19, 2010 - 01:18am PT
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Great grooves, there. Cheers!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2010 - 01:33am PT
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Well, we have two years to find a suitable candidate
If the GOP keeps track of things this well, Obama has nothing to worry about. The Iowa Caucus is in 13 months. The candidates had better be found well before that. If the candidate holds a job, and they have to campaign as well, they will find that difficult to do. After all, isn't it your assertion that Palin had to quit as Governor because she couldn't defend herself ( a MUCH easier task than running for President of the US), and do the job.
Each day that goes by, it's that much harder.
The front runner is Romney. He will have great difficulty overcoming RomneyCare, which IS what was voted in by Congress, and which you and the rest of the the GOP find so awful. This is the leadership you want? Don't worry, though. He's relatively moderate, so the GOP attack machine will tear him down on the basis of RomneyCare, or his religion. After all, he's not a "real" Christian.
Palin is unelectable. Each day she stays in, she sucks money and attention away from the other possible candidates. She's killing them.
if Obama keeps screwing up royally then it won't be such a grim picture at all. Your boy is not looking too good these days
You obviously don't even read the RIGHT WING journals. The poll published this week by the Wall Street Journal shows that Obama is held in very high esteem by most of the US. 76% personally like him. That is not something that one feels towards someone that one feels is dishonorable. When I described Obama as honorable, you bridled at that description, but it appears that you are in a very small minority of the US population ACCORDING TO THE RIGHT WING POLLS. The polls also support that they thought that he did the right thing with the tax negotiation, and he gets credit for it.
You keep describing him as "screwing up" and "not looking good", but can't seem to name anything that the American people agree with you upon.
In the meantime, your party keeps taking out bigoted positions, and whether they lose (DADT) or win (Dream Act), they alienate another segment of the voting population.
Even in the tax deal, what you personally state you like, is what Obama was for all along. What he had to give on was tax breaks for the wealthy, who continue to amass a greater percentage of the property and wealth of the country. The GOP seem happy to have a vast surfdom underclass of barely solvent, unhealthy people....existing to serve their betters, who've finally been able to keep them in their place.
By the way, you might consider the propriety of referring to the President of the United States, a black, as "boy".
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2010 - 03:40am PT
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Boy is a universally used term used in political and sports discussion. Only a racist would relate it to Obama's ethnicity, as you have done. Just out of curiosity, what IS your ethnicity, anyway. You are very touchy and ever accusing me about being anti-Muslim. Are you by any chance from the middle east?
You do post anti-Muslim rhetoric, repeatedly. It is hard to believe you are not anti-Muslim.
Hmmm. I'm not aware of this "univeral use" of the term "boy" in referring to politicians. Perhaps you can cite a reference to that.
However, even if that were the case wherever you come from, we have never had a black President in history, and to use terms carelessly in referring to him, that have widely and regularly been used by whites to refer to adult black males in a derogatory way, is just stupid, at least, and revealing, if more.
While you are looking for that reference, you may want to consider this:
"Calling a grown man "boy" is a racist term. It just is, whether a black man is somehow involved or not, whether public or private. It came into common usage through its application in the slave trade, and when used by two white men or two black men or whomever, it is just another way that an insult is used "
http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2008/04/dont-call-me-a.html
Or you can join one of your GOP colleages, who made a public, and heartfelt apology for referring to Obama as "boy", acknowleging the inappropriateness of it:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/04/davis-apologizes-but-boy-what-excuse-is-there/52660/
"Davis's comments offend not because they demeaned Obama's integrity; they're offensive because, well, in 2008, for a white person to call a black person "boy," is generally seen as racist no matter where you are."
Of course, Pennsylvania is a state not known for it's hate crimes against "persons of color" and jury nullification of such crimes. That's all from the deep South, and long in the past:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article159979.html
10 may 2009
"While immigrants and their supporters celebrated May Day elsewhere in the U.S., an all-white jury in Pottsville, Pa., approved the lynching of Luis Ramirez.
A gang of drunken white thugs shouting racist slurs attacked Ramirez in nearby Shenandoah last July 12. Foam ran from his mouth when Ramirez was found convulsing in the street.
The 25-year-old immigrant worker and father of three children was taken off life support two days later. His body was flown back to his mother in Guanajuato, Mexico.
Ramirez was beaten so severely that a bruised impression of Jesus from the medallion he wore was imbedded on his chest. Brains oozed from his skull.
Yet on May 1 the Schuylkill County jury found Brandon Piekarsky and Derrick Donchak guilty of only simple assault. Piekarsky was acquitted of third-degree murder and ethnic intimidation, while Donchak was acquitted of aggravated assault and ethnic intimidation."
But I do remember that you live in a former slave-owning state. I've never lived in one, so I've probably never been exposed to what passes for "normal discourse" when referring to black men.
What, are you going to ask me if I am Black, too? Just out of curiosity?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2010 - 03:59am PT
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Birther colonel gets six months
Update: Birther colonel gets six months
Sun colleague Andrea Siegel reports:
An Army doctor convicted of disobeying orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questioned whether Barack Obama was eligible to be president was sentenced today to six months in a military prison.
He also will be dismissed from the military, meaning he will forfeit a nearly $90,000 annual salary and a pension.
In closing arguments at the court-martial at Ft. George G. Meade, government prosecutors said Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin had created "a spectacle that has embarrassed the Army" with his website and YouTube video. In both, Lakin said he wouldn't deploy until his questions about whether the president is a natural born U.S. citizen were answered.
Capt. Philip J. O'Beirne asked the eight-member panel to sentence Lakin to between 24 and 36 months in a military jail and dismiss him from the army after almost 18 years of service. The maximum sentence was reduced from 3 1/2 years to 3 years this morning.
Lakin's civilian lawyer argued against jail time.
"Does the Army or society need protection against Dr. Lakin?" attorney Neal Puckett asked the panel.
He suggested that the panel "make [Lakin] work his debt off" and reprimand Lakin.
He described his client as obsessed and remorseful, and said he had followed bad advice from an outside lawyer on pushing his issue within the army.
Lakin's stance, first made public when he refused to report to Ft. Campbell, Ky., in April, has made him a hero to the "birther" movement. Supporters say Obama, the first black president, was not born in Honolulu in August 1961, and so fails to meet the constitutional requirement that the president be a "natural born citizen."
While such conspiracy theories have largely been squelched, Lakin's refusal of a deployment earlier this year generated fresh attention for the cause.
More than a year and half after Barack Obama was elected commander in chief, the governor of Hawaii is now publicly voicing the alleged exact location of Obama's birth, saying "the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii."
The disclosure is believed to be the first time a state government official has declared the precise place where Obama was born, despite numerous other published claims, including some for a different hospital in Honolulu.
The remark came Sunday night when Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, was interviewed on New York's WABC Radio by host Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.
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BORN IN THE USA?
Hawaii governor announces 'exact' place of Obama birth
'The question has been asked and answered, and I think we should all move on now'
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Posted: May 05, 2010
10:13 pm Eastern
By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii
More than a year and half after Barack Obama was elected commander in chief, the governor of Hawaii is now publicly voicing the alleged exact location of Obama's birth, saying "the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii."
The disclosure is believed to be the first time a state government official has declared the precise place where Obama was born, despite numerous other published claims, including some for a different hospital in Honolulu.
The remark came Sunday night when Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, was interviewed on New York's WABC Radio by host Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. (The subject was addressed at the 77-minute mark.)
The audio also has been excerpted and posted on YouTube:
"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said, referring to the continuing controversy over the disputed natural-born citizenship of Obama. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.
"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."
At the time of the 2008 election, the release featured the state's director of health, Chiyome Fukino, who said: "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2010 - 04:10am PT
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LEB, I appreciate that you come from a background in which it is acceptable to refer to adult black men as boys, to deny civil rights to Americans who happen to be Muslims, and that you enjoy advocating for such things. I also appreciate that you may not understand the real meaning of the words that you use, many people do not.
But such things are ugly, and not to be tolerated by civilized people in enlightened society.
Now, you use these "tools" in political discussions, apparently to pursuade, although I think you are pursuading few.
In your world, such things are fine, but not in mine. As such, whenever I see you using such invective, I'll point it out. I'm telling you that you are using offensive language. You've certainly objected to others using that, but you appear to have no problem when you do so...particularly when you can come up with some plausible deniability.
But you listen to sources that think this stuff is fine too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/28/rush-limbaugh-calls-obama_n_336589.html
At least the GOP Congressman admitted his error, and apologized for his poor choice of words. I guess the word "class" does not apply to your rhetoric.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 19, 2010 - 12:03pm PT
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1. Bankrupting the country
Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Facts, as if they matter to a lemming.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 19, 2010 - 12:59pm PT
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they are the face of the "uncool'
and they know it, that's why they hate the cool, the fashionable, the hip, the intellectual, the smart, hollywood, scientists and the true leaders
They are the duds of our population, the lame, the stupid, the racist, the jerks, the f*#ksticks, the hated, the goons, thugs, the wife beaters, pedophiles
as a group they are our dregs of our society
What an idiotic statement...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2010 - 01:36pm PT
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I guess not, Ken. Like I said previously, you are hell-bent on believing what you want about me so who am I to stop you. If it makes you happy to conceive of me as a racist, then you go right ahead and do so.
There are 61 definitions of "boy" in the urban dictionary, of which two have racial connotations - 59 do not. Racial overtones do not appear until number 6. Well I suppose that is better than 61, no?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boy
The first is the most common usage and it was the context in which I used the word.
Nice try at obfuscating, but I asked you to support your assertion that it is acceptable to call an adult black man of prominence, "a boy". You assert that it is. I've asserted it is not. I've posted references specific to that exact terminology, including a GOP Congressman who used that exact language, then apologized, acknowledging the wrongness of it.
Please educate the Congressman and me, as well as the audience, by posting a citation that supports your assertion......or appologize for your insensitive (since you can't tell the difference, you have laid the groundwork for your defense of you didn't mean to be offensive and make a racist remark, you were just unaware, or insensitive) remark.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
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Hey, what do I know, anyway?
http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404
Seems to me like your guy (note he chose of word to accommodate Ken M's preferences) is just a tad bit "spendy." Evidently, he is single-handedly making up for any lost time. No doubt K-man will explain to me wherein this sort of reasoning and conclusion is wrong.
Not much!
When you add up the two wars that Obama didn't start, the massive spending that had to be undertaken to counteract the Bush Recession, and the compromise with the Republicans on the Tax Bill.....the vast majority of the spending is DUE TO REPUBLICANS. Some might add in cost of the health care plan, although that is actually projected to save money, but if you DO add in something for RomneyCare, it is even more.
hey! 35,300!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 19, 2010 - 02:41pm PT
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These people, who advocate murder on the basis of someone's sexual identity, are truly sick.
Now one can see how those sickos in PA can be out in the streets killing people of color.
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