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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2009 - 08:31pm PT
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WHY the desire or need to "worship" a god, any god? I don't get it.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 19, 2009 - 08:39pm PT
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After 108 more lifetimes you just might get it?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 19, 2009 - 08:44pm PT
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So just keep kissing your own ass ....
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Bad Climber
climber
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Nov 19, 2009 - 08:50pm PT
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I call it the frightened monkey syndrome. We have consciousness of death, so we invent a God to make it all better. Works for some. I choose the mystery, that we cannot know and that the not knowing is good and beautiful and powerful. I don't need to have some guru, priest, minister, televangelist, whatever tell me he has all the answers--or that his silly self-contradictory text has all the "answers," which is patently wash of the hog.
Rejoice in the mystery, for that is all we have!
I'll tell you what I CAN worship: Check out the babes in Largo's hottest female athletes thread. Now THAT'S a goddess or two I can get behind.
ARRRRRRRgggggg. :)
BAd
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2009 - 08:51pm PT
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and you just keeping the ass of your imaginary little friend in the sky
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 09:00pm PT
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Norton- "Why worship anything".
I debated whether or not to put 'follow' instead of 'worship' you. Most commonly stated as such.
Worship is derived fro the 'Old English' worth following, etymologically speaking.
One and the same. We are all following something, as you ascribe your beliefs to agnostic/atheistic or whatever, that is what you are following. Some just ascribe to following themselves...which I often find myself falling back on. Some want to be followed/worshipped for example Jim Jones/David Koresh whom both said they were the messiah. But I have trusted Christ for my eternal destiny, that is what He has promised us...eternal life.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 19, 2009 - 09:02pm PT
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Thank God, Gobee. I really love bacon!
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 09:07pm PT
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Werner is worth following up any route in the Valley!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2009 - 09:07pm PT
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Trip, the difference is that I have no emotion in my non belief.
And the believers "worship" with emotion, often fervently.
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midarockjock
climber
USA
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Nov 19, 2009 - 09:12pm PT
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The body I have read is a temple of god. Or a similar scripture.
I can't prove quantum entanglement yet so I still have
some beliefs, though it seems to make more sense
for some matters.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 09:29pm PT
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Dr.-F. "so in the logic of 777 worshipping God is like worshipping..."
Hardly worth the effort to attempt to straighten you out on that one Doc!
That would be like coming up with some twisted logic in the order of "So Dr.-F claims that loving a pig is like loving Dr.-F!
You never said that and I never even implied such logic in regards to the above twisted interpretation of my explanation of the word worship/follow.
There have been many false Messiahs and prophets. JJ&DK were just two.
I was simply stating that we are all following some belief in regards to the eternal, such as 'Bad Climber' states in regards to himself/herself above.
This was in answer to Norton's question. "Why follow anything".
To be honest I was thinking about just giving it a bump(this thread since it was declining to third page status, and in interest to Norton) took a little time reviewing and noticed Jan's statement that was worthy of follow-up, and here we are once again trifling with petty insults/rediculous assumptions etc.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 09:33pm PT
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Well Norton I surely do not condone some of those practices(see the other current thread "Is this what Jesus..).
Here I am simply contributing discussion and sharing my beliefs as most of us are attempting to do.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 09:35pm PT
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Dr.-F.
The Holy Spirit is not a parasite, on the contrary, we feed on Him!
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 09:50pm PT
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midarockjock- "the body is the temple of God..."
Good point. That comes from "Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirirt of God dwells in ? 1 Coritheans 3:16.
And "Or do you not know your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, who you have from God, and that you are not your own"? 1Corinthians 6:19 He bought us for a price!
This was a letter from the aposle Paul in regards to the believers there(Corinth).
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midarockjock
climber
USA
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Nov 19, 2009 - 10:00pm PT
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Dr. F,
I don't read that to be unforgivable blaspheme of the holy spirit.
TripL7,
I know some very educated persons whom have dealt with the Holy
Spirit and it does not ever seem to be nice as believed by most.
To all,
here is my final summary here until I find further proof of carbon dating error.
Ardi pre-dates Homo Sapiens. Ardi is of genus etc. Hominid.
Homo Sapiens I have read predates the ice age ending and biblical
chronology even here in the State of CA. Gingko Biloba a tree also
did predate the ice age the last I checked it's record.
The evolutionary chain has apparently been disproved within this
thread by expert testimony due to coexistence of 2 different genus
at the same time. The expert testimony does not disprove other experts
chronology of Homo Sapiens which disproves Adam and Eve being
the first Homo Sapiens.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 10:03pm PT
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Doc!
I give ten %. It cost allot to build run and maintain a church. Many individuals who pastor or serve do it for nothing. Regardless, as the bible states "the worker is worth his due"! was referring to pastors. The apostle Paul set the precedent buy choosing to pay his own way(he was a tent maker)to discourage some of the excess we see today.
Much of what our church collects goes to orphans in Africa. The one I support is a beautiful little girl. It is the only way they could get an education/health care/food.
She belongs to the 'Children of the World" international choir which we also support. And much is directed towards the global aid crisis, particularly Africa.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 10:25pm PT
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midarockjock- " I know some very educated people who have dealt with the Holy Spirit and..."
That is called being chastised by Him. And as He states He is long suffering in regards to our stubborn nature.
I have dealt with Him on several occasions over the last 50+ years of my acquaintance with Him. On one occasion I refused a definite/personal call to be a missionary. And during communion the following week, did not notice the "log in my own eye, and came down hard on a close friend who was a new Christian for a petty fault of his own. I had led him to Christ(also taught to climb). This is no place to discuss it but I will tell you this, two weeks later after coming within inches of death, two weeks without food and sleep and a vision of hell. The first prayer out of my mouth for the next 18 months was..."please don,t let hell be that bad for the lost" and I would then wait for an answer, but it never came. He made a missionary out of me. It wasn't to Brazil, were I had been called, but none the less He had His way. And I am for ever grateful.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 19, 2009 - 10:31pm PT
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Dr.-F. "I hope they don't..."
Many are already Christian, many are Muslim, some are neither, or follow the local beliefs.
We lead by example, some do question those beliefs. It is her choice to request a bible or anything else. We simple give her love!
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4damages
climber
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Nov 19, 2009 - 10:45pm PT
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Dr. F.,
Yes, my major is not in that area.
No, it has not completely until acceptance of the coexistence.
And then what if they find another?
Yes, it has.
Not with all matter, but enough to prove to me that Adam and Eve
are not the first Homo Sapiens.
TripL7,
The article is in a privileged aeronautics document.
He wrote it.#15
http://besaw.webs.com/associations.htm
If interested email him. The journal I have is privileged
by law. I started receiving those journals after completing
#17 and #18 in that order. Read the first paragraph and except
the cert if interested. The link still works.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Nov 19, 2009 - 11:02pm PT
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" I just never got into kissing anyone's ass."
It's because of God's Love that you obey Him, and it's always right and good!
I'm with you Pete, BLT's!
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