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Dec 18, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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HOT AIR: It’s worth pointing out that one of the people pledging money to Assange’s bail efforts was none other than Michael Moore himself. Schadenfreude-tastic!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 04:41pm PT
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SU&P, That is a searing observation that goes right to the heart of what Michael Moore showed about the lies of the Gov't.
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shut up and pull
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Dec 18, 2010 - 04:53pm PT
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INSTAPUNDIT:
WHAT COULD GO WRONG? U.N. Plans Internet Regulation. Apparently, a lot of people who were embarrassed by WikiLeaks want to make sure nothing like that can happen again. But don’t worry: “The Brazilian delegate stressed, however, that this should not be seen as a call for a ‘takeover’ of the internet.” Well, with free-speech stalwarts like China and Saudi Arabia involved in the push, who’d worry about that?
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shut up and pull
climber
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Dec 18, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
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One-world government with redistribution of American wealth to the third world -- that is all the UN is about.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 05:23pm PT
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If we did not spend so foolishly, we would not need so much money.
LEB, this is so true. However, I'll bet we have different definitions of what it means to spend foolishly. I, for example, think we spend way too much on the military sector (and that includes the Enormous "black budget', of which Congress has no control.)
Think of where our deficit would be if we cut 50% of the military's budget. It makes what you're talking about look like the peanut skins left at the bottom of bag after you've finished eating all the peanuts.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 18, 2010 - 05:28pm PT
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DADT...a historic vote. Obama wins again. The man has done more good for this country in two years than Bush did eight.
**Read and weep you dip sh#t republicans!!
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Enacted cuts in spending
Nominated two Supreme Court Justices
Passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
Expanded eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund
Signed Public land reform legislation
Passed a credit card reform law, added restrictions on interest rate increases and fees, and restricted the marketing of credit cards to college students: On May 21, 2009, Obama signed into law a bill providing what USA Today called the "most sweeping changes to the credit card industry in 40 years."
Reversed the previous administration's secretive policies with transparency: The Washington Post reported that moves by the Obama administration to improve government transparency "included a ban on lobbyist gifts; restrictions on the hiring of lobbyists; publication of White House visitor logs and other records; and a move to bar lobbyists from serving on advisory boards." A report by Common Cause, Democracy 21, the League of Women Voters, and U.S. PIRG stated that "The cumulative effect of the Administration's actions has been to adopt the strongest and most comprehensive lobbying, ethics and transparency rules and policies ever established by an Administration to govern its own activities."
Signed landmark national service expansion legislation
Passed healthcare reform bill: The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that this legislation will reduce the federal deficit by $143 billion over the next 10 years and by some $1.2 trillion over the following decade. Passage of the bill represents the biggest change in domestic policy since the enactment of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965, says Sara Rosenbaum, who chairs the department of health policy at George Washington University. "We have now fundamentally transformed American society," she says. "We have gone from assuming many people will not have insurance to expecting that people will have insurance."
Passed legislation to curb greenhouse gases and improve the environment
Ended the Iraq War
Strengthened the nuclear non-proliferation agreement
Improved our international standing
Passed Financial Industry Reform
Eased restrictions on stem cell research
Passed of Tobacco regulation Act
Implemented education reforms
Passsed the Stimulus Bill:
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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Bob D'A, hold on a minute there, I'm looking for my list of what Bush did.
Hey LEB, can you help?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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LEB, I told you we'd disagree about foolish spending.
"I am thinking that it is better to have good defense and never need to use it than not have it when the need arises."
Yes mommy. Now can you tell me the story again about how we attacked Iraq?
(I like the part about Shock and Awe the best.)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 05:49pm PT
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Like a football team, our military has both offensive and defensive "teams." I'm glad you agree that we need only the defensive part of the military. We could save a lot by cutting the offense. (And BTW, I think we already have that in spades with all our atomic warheads).
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Dec 18, 2010 - 05:55pm PT
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K-man...funny.
Invasion of Iraq, 100,000 dead, 5,000 Americans troops, dead, Mission Accomplished, torture, wiretapping Americans, NO stem cell research, Unpaid wars, Unpaid tax cuts to the rich, Smallest job growth of any modern president, largest separation of wealth between the rich and middle class in modern history...F*#k yeah...bring back the republicans!!!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 05:58pm PT
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Yes LEB. That is why I said a few posts ago that we would not agree on what is foolish spending. I'm glad it's finally sinking in.
Now, you're helping me with that list of Bush accomplishment, right?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 06:08pm PT
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LEB, I'm not sure, but I think that might be a cop-out. You see, just above, we have a list of what Obama has done. In two years. And, I think the list is missing a very important success, the saving of GM (whoa, talk about saving some jobs in an important US industry!).
[And Hey, wasn't it the Republicans who wanted to obstruct his bailing out of GM?]
Now, think back...Bush I, Bush II. That's 16 years just there. Surely you can come up with even a couple of "wins," no?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 06:21pm PT
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Talk about harm, LEB. Let's talk about it, like on the thousands of posts in this thread that address the actual harm that has befallen us on behalf of the policies of the GOP.
Now again, what has your party done for us?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 06:35pm PT
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LEB, if you're still here:
Above you said "One has nothing really to do with the other. A strong military for purposes of defense does not necessitate that it be misused any more than gun ownership mandates that one abuse firearms."
I'm looking at this, and I think I'm getting jist of what you're getting at. It's OK to have an strong military because it's not the gun that kills, it's the owner (I'm assuming that you're equating misusing the military with the owner of a firearm "abuse" the firearm).
But the problem is, we can't control how those in power use (or abuse) their military power. Just like the Republicans, who keep starting all these wars. We cannot trust how they are going to use them (you know, preemptive attacks like what happened in Iraq)... Do you get my point?
You see, because we have people like those in the GOP, we shouldn't have such a strong military. You wouldn't want to give machine guns to gangsters, would you?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 06:37pm PT
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LEB, something concrete please.
Oh, I get it. You can't do it!
You can't find anything concrete and positive that your little team has done. How cute.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 06:39pm PT
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Fatty, are you saying that if GM went BK, that the bond holders would have gotten out OK? Why/how is that. When company stock that I hold goes down, I loose all my money. What am I doing wrong?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 06:41pm PT
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LEB, you want me to restrain myself because you can't find a way to support the drivel that you produce?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 06:46pm PT
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"I do believe that blocking the liberal madness (nothing personal, please understand) is very concrete."
LEB, if you believe that getting nothing to happen is a concrete thing that your presidents have done, then all the power to you. But, please take a close look at your statement and see how shallow that is.
Certainly the GOP is now blocking MANY things. Most recently, they blocked help for 911 responders. And, just to show how well they are at blocking things, they even block the things that they themselves were for before Obama took office.
Please don't take this personally, but you are a sad sack.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 18, 2010 - 06:56pm PT
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OK, I get your point.
I guess I'm unsure of why there is Too Bit To Fail then. It seems a reboot would be the best for any industry who's leaders can't be effective at running their companies. Sure, massive financial fallout, but at least the riff-raff is cleaned out.
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