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Norton
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the Wastelands
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:22pm PT
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Norton
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the Wastelands
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:22pm PT
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:24pm PT
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Holding a Federal position GENERALLY involves more ability than plucking chickens at Tyson or any number of very low wage jobs that are thrown into
the generic mix of "private sector" jobs for supposed comparison.
Um. I said comparable. Holding a Federal position involves more "ability?"
Have you been to the post office lately?
This is from Federaljobs.net:
The U.S. Government is the largest employer in the United States, hiring about 2.0 percent of the nation's work force and the workforce is expanding significantly due to health care reform, in-sourcing, and many new regulatory programs. Federal government jobs can be found in every state and large metropolitan area, including overseas in over 200 countries. The average annual federal workers compensation, including pay plus benefits, now exceeds $119,982 compared to just $59,909 for the private sector according to the United States Bureau of Economic Analysis.
Get it???????
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shut up and pull
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:27pm PT
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The great black Stanford economist and professor, Thomas Sowell:
The assumption that spending more of the taxpayer's money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family- which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions- began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to "help."”
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:29pm PT
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Well then K,
Work, donate, campaign, run for office yourself.
And make it your point to introduce and get a bill passed that fires all
Federal employees.
Then start over, hire new NON UNION people all over again.
Train them from scratch.
And pay them much less.
Run for office, let this be your platform!!!
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shut up and pull
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:29pm PT
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"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." --Clinton fundraiser and former Democratic vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro, who resigned from Clinton's campaign after making the remark
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shut up and pull
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:30pm PT
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"For the first time in my adult lifetime I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change." --Michelle Obama
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:31pm PT
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Norton
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:31pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:32pm PT
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shut up and pull
climber
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:36pm PT
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Obama, in Dreams from My Father, where he discusses his drug use:
"I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it."
In high school, Obama, according to his yearbook photo, was part of the "Choom Gang." Chooming was Hawaiian slang for smoking pot. (source)
And libs complain that Bush was a drunk -- geeeez!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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Well then K,
Work, donate, campaign, run for office yourself.
And make it your point to introduce and get a bill passed that fires all
Federal employees.
Then start over, hire new NON UNION people all over again.
Train them from scratch.
And pay them much less.
Run for office, let this be your platform!!!
If you think the current situation is equitable than you should run on that platform.
I think the Fedeeral and State and Local Governments should re negotiate all the union contracts. If they strike then fire them. Then hire non union. There is really not much choice you know.
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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DRUDGE: Britain in for worst blizzard in 100 years...
Must be that global warming, i mean climate change, i mean ... oh screw it.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:42pm PT
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Wrong thread SU. See the thread on Climate Change for some facts on the subject.
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shut up and pull
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:43pm PT
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FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL THIS WEEK
Government Unions vs. Taxpayers
The moral case for unions—protecting working families from exploitation—does not apply to public employment..Article Video Comments (498) more in Opinion ».
By TIM PAWLENTY
When Americans think of organized labor, they might think of images like I saw growing up in a blue-collar meatpacking town: hard hats, work boots, tough conditions and gritty jobs. While I didn't work in the slaughterhouses, I did become a union member when I worked at a grocery store to help put myself through school. I was grateful for the paycheck and proud of the work I did.
The rise of the labor movement in the early 20th century was a triumph for America's working class. In an era of deep economic anxiety, unions stood up for hard-working but vulnerable families, protecting them from physical and economic exploitation.
Much has changed. The majority of union members today no longer work in construction, manufacturing or "strong back" jobs. They work for government, which, thanks to President Obama, has become the only booming "industry" left in our economy. Since January 2008 the private sector has lost nearly eight million jobs while local, state and federal governments added 590,000.
Federal employees receive an average of $123,049 annually in pay and benefits, twice the average of the private sector. And across the country, at every level of government, the pattern is the same: Unionized public employees are making more money, receiving more generous benefits, and enjoying greater job security than the working families forced to pay for it with ever-higher taxes, deficits and debt.
How did this happen? Very quietly. The rise of government unions has been like a silent coup, an inside job engineered by self-interested politicians and fueled by campaign contributions.
Public employee unions contribute mightily to the campaigns of liberal politicians ($91 million in the midterm elections alone) who vote to increase government pay and workers. As more government employees join the unions and pay dues, the union bosses pour ever more money and energy into liberal campaigns. The result is that certain states are now approaching default. Decades of overpromising and fiscal malpractice by state and local officials have created unfunded public employee benefit liabilities of more than $3 trillion.
Over the last eight years in Minnesota, we have taken decisive action to prevent our problems from becoming a state crisis. Public employee unions fought us virtually every step of the way. Mass transit employees, for example, went on strike for 44 days in 2005—because we refused to grant them lifetime health-care benefits after working just 15 years. It was a tough fight, but in the end Minnesota taxpayers won.
We reworked benefits for new hires. We required existing employees to contribute more to their pensions. We reformed our public employee health plan and froze wages.
We proved that even in deep-blue Minnesota, taxpayers can take on big government and big labor, and win. In coming years, that fight will have to be joined throughout the country in city halls, state capitals and in Washington, D.C.
Reformers would be wise to adopt three overriding principles.
First, we need to bring public employee compensation back in line with the private sector and reduce the overall size of the federal civilian work force. Mr. Obama's proposal to freeze federal pay is a step in the right direction, but it falls well short of shrinking government and eliminating the pay premium enjoyed by federal employees.
Second, get the numbers right. Government should start using the same established accounting standards that private businesses are required to use, so we can accurately assess unfunded liabilities.
Third, we need to end defined-benefit retirement plans for government employees. Defined-benefit systems have created a financial albatross for taxpayers. The private sector dropped them years ago in favor of the clarity and predictability of defined-contribution models such as 401(k) plans. This change alone can save taxpayers trillions of dollars.
The moral case for unions—protecting working families from exploitation—does not apply to public employment. Government employees today are among the most protected, well-paid employees in the country. Ironically, public-sector unions have become the exploiters, and working families once again need someone to stand up for them.
If we're going to stop the government unions' silent coup, conservative reformers around the country must fight this challenge head on. The choice between big government and everyday Americans isn't a hard one.
Mr. Pawlenty, a Republican, is governor of Minnesota.
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Dec 16, 2010 - 07:45pm PT
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DRUDGE:
Just how far the UK has sunk:
UK Red Cross Bans Christmas to Avoid Offending Muslims...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 16, 2010 - 08:04pm PT
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Are they really foolish when the average salary of a federal worker approximates $120,000 per year?
John
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Dec 16, 2010 - 08:12pm PT
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John -- and they have "civil service protection" -- meaning you basically cannot fire the incompetent ones. Glad to know incompetence is being subsidized by our tax dollars, no?
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 16, 2010 - 08:14pm PT
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the average salary of a federal worker approximates $120,000 per year? Really? Source?
Typically "payroll costs" (benefits, etc) are a significant percentage of salary. But unless you're allocating office rent to each employee for his/her space, and similar chicanery, it seems unlikely that the average salary is $120K, or even the median. Probably much less.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 16, 2010 - 08:16pm PT
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Run you little pussy:
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