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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Aug 26, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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Thanks for your write-up Madbolter.
I feel guilty and dirty for having read much of the negativity in the WoS threads, but I really appreciate and enjoy reading the from-the-heart sharing of your experience on the climb.
Thanks Jaybro for steering this into a positive direction! All that experience turning suffering into pleasure on the wide cracks has really paid off!
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Gabe
climber
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Aug 26, 2011 - 11:44pm PT
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I liked it too mad one. The commitment sure sounds heavy like the load. You guys became lichen.
Your post would read well in the guide book next to your route.
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wbw
climber
'cross the great divide
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Aug 26, 2011 - 11:52pm PT
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Enjoyed the write up Madbolter. Hats off to you guys for persevering.
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:26am PT
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"Mimi and Steve have probably been giggling at us until they're blue in
the face."
Who knew? LOL! Going toe to toe with these guys and their rabble has been nothing but fun.
Riles, I get your message, but hang in there man. Thanks for the support.
Would somebody please give me a good explanation why one must climb a route to have an opinion about it? I already made the argument for film, music, and sports critics.
These guys came on the ST touting their glory and demanding a position of respect. No way were we going to sit back and watch them dupe the unknowing crowd much less apologize. Snake oil salesmen. People who were there that season recognized this. This internet medium has allowed such open dialogue. What is wrong with trying to set the record straight when the FA initiated the whole thing? Now, the handful of detractors are viewed as the obsessed get a life losers.
Those of you that think we've been wringing our hands and angsting over this for so many years can rest assured it's been a laughing matter all along.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:31am PT
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isnt laughing and trying to make someone feel bad about themselves just bullying? why would this make you laugh? this seems like it was a really big deal to the guys who put up the route.
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Meaty
climber
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:39am PT
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Yeah Mimi, the obsessed are those two wankers.
How about that jerk Richard telling me I've been obsessed with WOS for 29 years!?
What a delusional pile of tripe he is! I surely don't give a sh#t about his climb, who repeats it, who shits on it..... etc. But I do have a problem being called one of the shitters/choppers.
When certain tools here call for violence towards me Richard is silent about it, but then claims I incited a riot in 1982? What a prick.
These two f*#kers have many duped here, shows what lemming they are.
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wildone
climber
Troy, MT
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:41am PT
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Well for one, music, film, and professional sporting events are snippets of media intended to be observed by non-participants....Climbing is a sport for participation, which is why climbing movies are about as exciting as watching paint dry. Furthermore, a climbing route is put up to be climbed, by climbers. Not put up to be observed and criticised by non-climbers. Where a movie is created to be watched by a public widely ignorant of the nuts and bolts of moviemaking, and judged on it's validity and entertainment value by those participants (watchers of the movie), participants who can judge a route are those who've climbed it as that was the purpose of it's creation; to be climbed.
Any more "brain-busters?"
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:41am PT
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karo, so we're supposed to blindly support bad players simply because we feel sorry for them? Because they were poorly prepared and suffered so because of it?
Kevin, not so. Do you think Steve or Charles' opinions are acceptable? Deucie's, Mussy's, Bill? Other wall climbers that were active at the time?!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:49am PT
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karo, so we're supposed to blindly support bad players simply because we feel sorry for them? Because they were poorly prepared and suffered so because of it?
Black and white thinking. You use too broad of a brush. Based on your example, anyone on this thread who says anything remotely positive is now one of their followers. It gets tiresome hearing that. So then people go after you.
You don't support the climb. Fine. But you don't have to trash everyone who says anything even remotely positive.
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:52am PT
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It's tit for tat. We started out asking for clarification and it got ugly. Nothing's changed in that regard except now the route's been climbed and we'll finally have an accurate account.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:57am PT
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These two f*#kers have many duped here, shows what lemming they are.
Good to know Ammon and Kait can be so easily had. And from the sound of the diving he took over nine days maybe lemmings would be willing to proffer an honorary title.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:57am PT
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It's tit for tat.
Not what I'm talking about. You go after everyone who says anything even remotely positive about Mark and Richard, or the climb.
Its lines like this..
This is beyond shame! Bwana spills his guts and you suck ups bow down and lap it.
So Jaybro and Russ are "suck ups" ? They liked what Richard wrote.
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wildone
climber
Troy, MT
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Aug 27, 2011 - 02:57am PT
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...and you were given verbose clarification repeatedly, you just obstinately choose to ignore it.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 27, 2011 - 03:02am PT
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not certain i agree with that, ben
but i also don't know if it f*#kin matters at all
it is after all a 9 pitch variation that gets climbed every 30 yrs or so
big whoop...
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wildone
climber
Troy, MT
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Aug 27, 2011 - 03:08am PT
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Indeed.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Aug 27, 2011 - 03:11am PT
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Regarding Mimi, I suggest that the best thing to do is leave her be. Mimi is practically a meme by now (A mimi meme?) and the fact is that nobody is able to reach her. So maybe some PONY will be able to reach her.
I would put forth at this point, that you can't fight evil with evil. This is just where Mimi is at, and the best thing that we can do for everyone's sake is tolerate and love her.
So you know what, Mimi?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 27, 2011 - 03:19am PT
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Yeah Mimi, the obsessed are those two wankers.
How about that jerk Richard telling me I've been obsessed with WOS for 29 years!?
What a delusional pile of tripe he is! I surely don't give a sh#t about his climb, who repeats it, who shits on it..... etc. But I do have a problem being called one of the shitters/choppers.
When certain tools here call for violence towards me Richard is silent about it, but then claims I incited a riot in 1982? What a prick.
These two f*#kers have many duped here, shows what lemming they are.
Maybe Barton, but you don't have anyone duped here. Everyone knows just what kind of person you are.
My account was hacked years ago and that person is messing with my account again. I don't delete my posts.
Edit: Many posts from years ago in this thread were written by the person(s) that have hacked my account here. Weak!
I do not believe you. Liar? Multiple personality disorder?
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dipper
climber
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Aug 27, 2011 - 03:21am PT
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MeMe, er, Mimi wrote:
"...now the route's been climbed and we'll finally have an accurate account."
It appears her sense of what is important in life is significantly distorted.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 27, 2011 - 07:29am PT
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Mimi, Climbs are not movies. If you bash one without being able to climb it you look like an ass. If you call the FA team incompetent fools when their climb is too hard for YOU to climb you look like a pathetic asshat. The Only way that one can prove that a climb is over rated or over protected or whatever is to climb it. If you hike the thing in your Tevas you have a right to downgrade it or whatever. You still may look like an ass but you have earned that right. If you go public with the trash talk about a route that you have not climbed and most likly can not climb then you do in fact come accross as a pathetic asshat.
You should know that climbers have tons of silly unwritten rules many of which make little sense yet this rule does in fact have merit... It is the good old classic. Put up or shut up!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Aug 27, 2011 - 09:52am PT
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Is it irony that DMT, the writer of one of the best series of poop threads, is calling out the shitters? Or just a cyocoprophliac obsession?
Prod.
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