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philo
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Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 12:06am PT
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Yea we should really look out for those open pit solar mines.
Wouldn't want to suffer any solar spills.
Better to drill baby drill.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 12:28am PT
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Chuff is it because your parents were siblings or a traumatic brain injury?
What makes you so right?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Apr 27, 2014 - 12:36am PT
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That solar plant is really, really cool. Thanks for posting.
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philo
Trad climber
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Apr 27, 2014 - 12:39am PT
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Really stinkeye. And I've been trying to use small words just for you.
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philo
Trad climber
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Apr 27, 2014 - 12:42am PT
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Apr 27, 2014 - 01:38am PT
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Your gordian grammar is indecipherable, but i do appreciate the link. Next trip to Red Rocks I'm going to check that thing out.
Along with Sedan Crater.
ROAD TRIP!
Had a great night with the kids. Live action raised 15K for Meany Lodge, the oldest operating ski area in WA - walk/ski/snowcat in only - very old school.
One of the auction prizes was a guided caving trip lead by - I couldn't believe it when I saw his pic - my very first climb leader for my first climbing course. Lovely man. Haven't seen him in 32 years.
He's a caretaker at the Lodge now. I'm going to surprise him.
Overall, a great night.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 06:29am PT
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Got It!
Well Chief just so you would quit whining i checked out your pet thread.
The most pertinent post was this one...
That is why this thread is a moot point and a waste of time.
YAWN!
Another issue you keep trying to make is about the terrible situation that happened to the Dann sisters. And then you wrap it into an argument of the horrendous environmental damage done by the gold mining permitted by the BLM. Both occurrences were deplorable to be sure.
But the questions I have to ask is who was President then, what party controlled congress at the time, and where was the WhiteWing militia when the Dann sisters needed an armed intervention?
The Federal agencies in charge of our public lands have always been in the business of selling off our national assets for a pittance to private for profit rape and run corporations in the extractive mineral fields. I didn't remember any WhiteWingers protesting against the Bush policies promoting these projects for their cronies benefit. Nor do I recall mobs of burly bearded gunmen showing up to protest the Dann sister situation. Hmmmmm.
So now we have a President who's administration actually believes science exists and that it is a good idea to move in a new direction regarding domestic energy production and independence. If the small patches of the total landmass that the BLM permits development on are now used for renewable energy production rather than strip mines I'm good with that and I think that it is a step in the right direction. But now the WhiteWingers come out in armed mobs to say evil Gubmint ovareach.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 07:17am PT
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 27, 2014 - 08:31am PT
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I am offended by the wanton use of 'tassers'
Whatever they are
*ducks incoming feces thrown by the chief*
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Apr 27, 2014 - 08:34am PT
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you mean tossers?
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 27, 2014 - 08:57am PT
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No
It's up thread somewhere
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 08:59am PT
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I am offended by the wanton use of ignorance.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Apr 27, 2014 - 09:17am PT
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The chief insisted
You calling me a racists now??
That is one for the books.
The best Human Beings I ever worked for and with, shoulder to shoulder, were Blacks, Chicano's, Orientals and Native Americans. Period.
Yup. If you hear someone say "I'm just wondering if black people weren't better off as slaves" and your immediate response is "oh well that guy was taken out of context" instead of "damn that's pretty racist" then you are in fact defending racist behavior which is itself racist. You've had plenty of opportunities to be clear on this and have chosen to defend his words every time. Just like you're trying to pretend that because mining companies legally strip mine on public land that makes it ok for this dude to illegally graze his cattle. If you're trying trying to start a conversation about public land use policy you're doing it horribly wrong. And yeah you're also being racist.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 09:26am PT
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Another issue Chuff keeps trying to make is about the terrible situation that happened to the Dann sisters. And then he wraps it into an argument of the horrendous environmental damage done by the gold mining permitted by the BLM. Both occurrences were deplorable to be sure.
But the questions I have to ask is who was President then, what party controlled congress at the time, and where was the WhiteWing militia when the Dann sisters needed an armed intervention?
The Federal agencies in charge of our public lands have always been in the business of selling off our national assets for a pittance to private for profit rape and run corporations in the extractive mineral fields. I didn't remember any WhiteWingers protesting against the Bush policies promoting these projects for their cronies benefit. Nor do I recall mobs of burly bearded gunmen showing up to protest the Dann sister situation. Hmmmmm.
So now we have a President who's administration actually believes science exists and that it is a good idea to move in a new direction regarding domestic energy production and independence. If the small patches of the total landmass that the BLM permits development on are now used for renewable energy production rather than strip mines I'm good with that and I think that it is a step in the right direction. But now the WhiteWingers come out in armed mobs to say evil Gubmint ovareach.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 27, 2014 - 10:40am PT
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Excellent Chuffles, way to step up to the plate of personal responsibility. . Dodge answering legitimate questions because the answers would undermine your pointless argument then run around crying waaa waaa waaa he was mean to me he's such a hater waa waa waa!
Keep trying Lil Chuff we all know you can do it and we know it will fit.
Just curious have you ever looked up the definition of the word HATE?
You use the word a lot and you see it everywhere but I have my doubts that you really grasp the meaning of the word. Though you have mastered the intent.
PS: Philo, you are such a loser. You did not even have the balls to post your full agreement with the LADWP and it's ongoing solar projects on that thread. Instead, just your regurgitating more of the same ole ideological hate.
You made a big stink that I wouldn't go on the Eastside thread and make a statement about my beliefs. I knew it was a waste of time because even you could care less about that thread but I went and posted anyway.
Now like some f*#king Israeli UnPeace negotiator you add your newest stipulation to your interpretation of compliance. Keep moving the goal posts and eventually you wont have any field left to play on.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 27, 2014 - 10:53am PT
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RACISM?
Sorry to interject any facts into what is apparently just another liberal emotional fact less circle jerk of name calling, where near every post is a personal attack as the poster doesn't have the brains to say anything factually based. But there is this to toss into the mix:"CNN REPORTER: You're protecting this man and he's wondering whether African-Americans would be better off as slaves. How does that strike you?
JASON BULLOCK, BODYGUARD FOR CLIVEN BUNDY: It doesn't strike me any kind of way. This is still the same old Mr. Bundy I met from the first day of all this happening.
CNN REPORTER: But aren't those offensive comments to you
BULLOCK: Not at all.
CNN REPORTER: Not offensive?
BULLOCK: Because Mr. Bundy is not a racist. Ever since I've been here he's treated me with nothing but hospitality. He's pretty much treated me like his own family.
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BULLOCK: I would take a bullet for that man, if need be. I look up to him just like I do my own grandfather.
CNN REPORTER: Why?
BULLOCK: Because I believe in his cause and after having met Mr. Bundy a few times, I have a really good feel about him and I'm a pretty good judge of character."
Clearly this Black Bodyguard who sees the man daily needs to talk to a few of you, although you'd most likely just call him some racist name in anger.
And now back to Philo, Bruce Kay and Glanton calling Ron and Chief Poo-poo heads and other 2nd grade names....etc etc etc etc to infinity. Have fun!
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philo
Trad climber
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Apr 27, 2014 - 10:58am PT
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He is a paid Mercenary. Read up thread it was covered.
But your urge to inflect the issue is curious nes pas?
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philo
Trad climber
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Apr 27, 2014 - 11:12am PT
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Oh fer fecks sake Rong how devoid of a sense of humor are you anyway?
Your going to base your indignity on another of Chuff's constant mis-interpretations. The human brain trust who thought a suggestion to not blow out the side walls of threads was a THREAT aimed directly at him. The same Mensa candidate who thought the suggestion to post up a climbing TR was a request for his resume of manly deeds. That's who you want to base your interpretation on. No wonder you wight wingers are so fecking full of shet, you believe each other.
And you are also going to squirm and dance the "oh well the LibTard media spun it all out of context" jiggy jig. Come get me "beat down boi" just leave your surrogate penises at home.
Weak minded provincials.
Now back to what's really at play in Nevadastan.
The Koch Attack on Solar Energy
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/opinion/sunday/the-koch-attack-on-solar-energy.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1
At long last, the Koch brothers and their conservative allies in state government have found a new tax they can support. Naturally it’s a tax on something the country needs: solar energy panels.
For the last few months, the Kochs and other big polluters have been spending heavily to fight incentives for renewable energy, which have been adopted by most states. They particularly dislike state laws that allow homeowners with solar panels to sell power they don’t need back to electric utilities. So they’ve been pushing legislatures to impose a surtax on this increasingly popular practice, hoping to make installing solar panels on houses less attractive.
Oklahoma lawmakers recently approved such a surcharge at the behest of the American Legislative Exchange Council, the conservative group that often dictates bills to Republican statehouses and receives financing from the utility industry and fossil-fuel producers, including the Kochs. As The Los Angeles Times reported recently, the Kochs and ALEC have made similar efforts in other states, though they were beaten back by solar advocates in Kansas and the surtax was reduced to $5 a month in Arizona.
But the Big Carbon advocates aren’t giving up. The same group is trying to repeal or freeze Ohio’s requirement that 12.5 percent of the state’s electric power come from renewable sources like solar and wind by 2025. Twenty-nine states have established similar standards that call for 10 percent or more in renewable power. These states can now anticipate well-financed campaigns to eliminate these targets or scale them back.
The coal producers’ motivation is clear: They see solar and wind energy as a long-term threat to their businesses. That might seem distant at the moment, when nearly 40 percent of the nation’s electricity is still generated by coal, and when less than 1 percent of power customers have solar arrays. (It is slightly higher in California and Hawaii.) But given new regulations on power-plant emissions of mercury and other pollutants, and the urgent need to reduce global warming emissions, the future clearly lies with renewable energy. In 2013, 29 percent of newly installed generation capacity came from solar, compared with 10 percent in 2012.
Renewables are good for economic as well as environmental reasons, as most states know. (More than 143,000 now work in the solar industry.) Currently, 43 states require utilities to buy excess power generated by consumers with solar arrays. This practice, known as net metering, essentially runs electric meters backward when power flows from rooftop solar panels into the grid, giving consumers a credit for the power they generate but don’t use.
The utilities hate this requirement, for obvious reasons. A report by the Edison Electric Institute, the lobbying arm of the power industry, says this kind of law will put “a squeeze on profitability,” and warns that if state incentives are not rolled back, “it may be too late to repair the utility business model.”
Since that’s an unsympathetic argument, the utilities have devised another: Solar expansion, they claim, will actually hurt consumers. The Arizona Public Service Company, the state’s largest utility, funneled large sums through a Koch operative to a nonprofit group that ran an ad claiming net metering would hurt older people on fixed incomes by raising electric rates. The ad tried to link the requirement to President Obama. Another Koch ad likens the renewable-energy requirement to health care reform, the ultimate insult in that world. “Like Obamacare, it’s another government mandate we can’t afford,” the narrator says.
That line might appeal to Tea Partiers, but it’s deliberately misleading. This campaign is really about the profits of Koch Carbon and the utilities, which to its organizers is much more important than clean air and the consequences of climate change.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Apr 27, 2014 - 11:25am PT
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With all this macho flexing, what I want to know is who wins a barehanded fight Chief or Philo?
I vote for a real-world celebrity grudge match to see once and for all who has the hardest brain in the sandbox.
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