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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 16, 2009 - 08:10pm PT
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cintune!
Oh!
Thankyou ^^^!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 16, 2009 - 08:15pm PT
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There he goes now! with Lynne and Ed at the last face lift.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
Will know soon
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Nov 17, 2009 - 01:14am PT
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I am so lol....what an awe....ful pic. :DD
Ed looks like the shrink, lynne looks like a patient from the cuckoos's nest. What happened to ruin your karma gal ? What aweful fate has become yo ? I'm sure ST Ed will figure it out. (thorazine is pretty potent...bwahahaha)
Crowley looks like he just saw a UFO and sharing the joy.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C. Small wall climber.
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Nov 17, 2009 - 01:18am PT
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OK then, here's a better one.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 17, 2009 - 01:19am PT
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LOL lynne
It doesn't look awful at all.
You're to self conscious.
Ed looks relaxed and mellow as he always is.
You're just listening.
And Crowley is watching the aliens moving in for the kill .....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Nov 17, 2009 - 01:58am PT
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And this relates to evolution how?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Nov 17, 2009 - 01:59am PT
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Cintune-
Thanks for the New York Times reference which I had somehow missed. I think we were talking about that very topic more than 2,000 posts ago weren't we?
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Nov 17, 2009 - 08:42am PT
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The Cross of Christ
is X's mark the spot of God's Love for us.
He IS are Treasure, are Rainbow,
are Pot of Gold.
The Riches of God
Made Manifest, Manifold!
GoBee
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 17, 2009 - 09:08am PT
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that does look awfully Somber for you, Lynne. Ed is doing talk therapy while Crowley the Jester is attempting Feldenlaugh.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 17, 2009 - 10:10am PT
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of course there is the Holy Ghost to fit in there somewhere... GoBee probably has a scanned page queued up for that too...
...a sticky wicket for christian theology that still has ramifications in the schism of the catholic church, and in the different theologies of protestant churches...
This has an interesting angle on the OP, which is about a Creationist view of human origins vs. an Evolutionary view. While some christians believe that the bible takes a creationist view, other christians interpret the bible as consistent with evolution.
Just like the differences of christian opinion on the trinity "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" there are a lot of different ways to interpret just what is being stated in the bible. It comes down to one's opinion on what is "truth."
So who gets to decide on the interpretation of the bible?
Seems that there was a time in human history, where these things were decided by war... which indicates the importance of the issue. As far as I know, we've never gone to war to determine the "interpretation" of a scientific theory. No one has ever been killed in the name of Newton or Einstein, or any such person.
It is because scientific progress is made by "a conversation with nature" as I.I. Rabi put it, so that the resolution of scientific controversies is by experiment and observation, which are accessible to anyone, and explanation through a mathematically rigorous description, a theory, of how things work.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 17, 2009 - 08:16pm PT
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My complaint about God
I unmistakably hope God gives this letter five minutes of his precious cappuccino-sipping, cancer-stick-puffing time. Let me get to the crux of the matter: If it weren't for sordid buggers, God would have no friends. Over time, his press releases have progressed from being merely salacious to being supersalacious, hypersalacious, and recently ultrasalacious. In fact, I'd say that now they're even megasalacious. God promises his apparatchiks that as soon as he's finished destroying our moral fiber, they'll all become rich beyond their wildest dreams. There's an obvious analogy here to the way that vultures eat a cadaver and from its rottenness insects and worms suck their food. The point is that people who collaborate with God and expect God to show them the same consideration deserve to be left out in the cold. Sadly, lack of space prevents me from elaborating further.
Instead of taking the easy path in life, the downward path, we must choose the upward path regardless of the pain, suffering, and sacrifice that this choice entails. Only then can we finally provide you with a holistic and thematic history of God's villainous bunco games. Yes, God will try to stop us by turning palookas loose against us good citizens, but he and his vicegerents are on a recruiting campaign, trying to convince everyone they meet to participate in forcing me to wind up in a straitjacket and locked in a padded cell. Don't join that Praetorian Guard; instead, remember the scriptures: "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil." He seems to enjoy making unfounded statements and jumping to conclusions. Now that's a strong conclusion to draw just from the evidence I've presented in this letter so let me corroborate it by saying that I don't know what makes God think that human life is expendable. Maybe he's been sipping cuckoo juice. The fact of the matter is that because of God's obsession with mandarinism, on a television program last night I heard one of this country's top scientists conclude that, "God has no real regard for other people's rights, privacy, or sanity." That's exactly what I have so frequently argued, and I am pleased to have my view confirmed by so eminent an individual.
God can go on saying that he is omnipotent but the rest of us have serious problems to deal with that preclude our indulging in such insensate dreams just now. He lives for one reason and for one reason only: to preach a propaganda of hate. In case you don't know, he will probably respond to this letter just like he responds to all criticism. He will put me down as "disgusting" or "malodorous". That's his standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about him except the most fawning praise. I realize that collectivism is a tremendous problem in our society, but does it constantly have to be thrown in our faces? To ask that question another way, where are the people who are willing to stand up and acknowledge that God's campaigns of malice and malignity are merely a fig leaf that hides his efforts to champion censorship in the name of free speech, intolerance in the name of tolerance, and oppression in the name of freedom? There is widespread agreement in asking that question but there is great disagreement in answering it.
If we don't do something soon, God's bloody-minded, oppressive projects will rise like a golem with a million hands on a million throats to choke the honor out of decent, hardworking people. As will be discussed in more detail later in this letter, God does not appeal to most people as being the most endearing or public-minded of citizens. Maybe his image would improve somewhat if he stopped trying to entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of the ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice of rambunctious desperados of one sort or another. His opposition to anti-intellectualism has been more rhetorical than substantive. That proves that he has a strategy. His strategy is to devise postmodernist scams to get money for nothing. Wherever you encounter that strategy, you are dealing with God.
God should learn to appreciate what he has instead of feeling so oppressed because he can't do everything he wants, every time he wants to. I have the following to say to the assertion that five-crystal orgone generators can eliminate mind-control energies that are being radiated from secret, underground, government facilities: Baloney! Even so, he once tried to convince a bunch of us that the Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel. Fortunately, calmer heads prevailed and a number of people informed the rest of the gang that God apparently believes that he can override nature. You and I know better than that. You and I know that I myself have always been an independent thinker. I'm not influenced by popular trends, the media, or even so-called undisputed facts when parroted by others. Maybe that streak of independence is what first enabled me to see that I have a problem with God's use of the phrase, "We all know that...". With this phrase, he doesn't need to prove his claim that he is known for his sound judgment, unerring foresight, and sagacious adaptation of means to ends; he merely accepts it as fact. To put it another way, it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to convince his shills to present another paradigm in opposition to his abysmal tractates. Why do I tell you this? Because these days, no one else has the guts to.
God is the secret player behind the present, short-sighted political scene. He must be brought out from behind the curtain before it's too late, before his worshippers make mountains out of molehills. If we build a world overflowing with compassion and tolerance then the sea of Chekism, on which God so heavily relies, will begin to dry up. Even if one is opposed to beastly Comstockism (as I myself am) then, surely, it seems that no one else is telling you that we need to stand up for our rights. So, since the burden lies with me to tell you that, I suppose I should say a few words on the subject. To begin with, God likes to posture as a guardian of virtue and manners. However, when it comes right down to it, what he is pushing is both chauvinistic and quixotic. How many of God's chums are content to sit around doing absolutely nothing to contribute to the world around them? I'd hazard to guess that the number is pretty high.
Implying that children should belong to the state is no different from implying that drug money is being used to pay for the construction of huge underground cities intended to house both humans and aliens who serve a secret, transnational shadow government. Both statements are ludicrous. God is not your average invidious stuffed shirt. He's the deluxe model. As such, he's poised to inflict untold misery, suffering, and distress in a lustrum or two. God's pleas are about as useful to society as a hundred deutsche marks were in 1923 Germany. Ergo, God's consistent lack of regard for others will deploy enormous resources in a war of attrition against helpless citizens within a short period of time. Disguised in this drollery is an important message: I am not a robot. I am a thinking, feeling, human being. As such, I get teary-eyed whenever I see God scorn and abjure reason. It makes me want to denounce those who claim that anyone who resists him deserves to be crushed, which is why I'm so eager to tell you that I wish I didn't have to be the one to break the news that I have come to know God's goombahs too well not to feel the profoundest disgust for their improvident fulminations. Nevertheless, I cannot afford to pass by anything that may help me make my point. So let me just state that while God manufactures crises over charlatanism, his den of thieves has been increasing society's cycle of hostility and violence.
By God's standards, if you have morals, believe that character counts, and actually raise your own children—let alone teach them to be morally fit—you're definitely a temperamental barbarism enthusiast. My standards—and I suspect yours as well—are quite different from his. For instance, I sincerely assert that God and his trucklers are a bunch of punks. As you know, punks are savages; savages are wiseacres; wiseacres are wantwits; and wantwits all want to prime the pump of commercialism. The point is that when God says that he can walk on water, that's just a load of spucatum tauri.
Many people respond to God's brutal mottos in much the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we make technical preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence. God promises that if we give him and his confreres additional powers, he'll guard us from loquacious, sappy New Age vagabonds. My question, however is, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?—Who will guard the guards?
God is totally mistaken if he believes that turning the trickle of vigilantism into a tidal wave is essential for the safety and welfare of the public. We find among narrow and uneducated minds the belief that some people deserve to feel safe while others do not. This belief is due to a basic confusion that can be cleared up simply by stating that God's traducements are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, I have never been in favor of being gratuitously shameless. I have also never been in favor of sticking my head in the sand or of refusing to bring a fresh perspective and new ideas to the current debate. Even with no further evidence than what I've previously presented I would profess—and no person on Earth can alter my opinion—that God is right about one thing, namely that fear is what motivates us. Fear of what it means when atrabilious, ruthless bohemians trade facts for fantasy, truth for myths, academics for collective socialization, and individual thinking for group manipulation. Fear of what it says about our society when we teach our children that God's camp is looking out for our best interests. And fear of predaceous, ugly energumens like God who palliate and excuse the atrocities of his assistants. To recap the main points made in this letter: 1) a "respected" member of God's nepotism movement recently said (to closely paraphrase), "Black is white and night is day", 2) God has fundamentally miscalculated how out-of-step he is with the average person's views, and 3) we must stand united as free, sovereign individuals and punish God for his licentious maneuvers.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Nov 17, 2009 - 08:28pm PT
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At the risk of sounding like an obtrusive long-haired hippie, I will attempt to humbly set forth a brief précis of Dirtbag's most mephitic suggestions in hopes of convincing you, the reader, to help straighten out Dirtbag's thinking. I want to share this with you because I shall not argue that Dirtbag's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of his plan to create a beachhead for organized wowserism. Read them and see for yourself. Finally, this has been a good deal of reading, and honestly difficult reading at that. Still, I hope you walk away from it with the new knowledge that anyone who examines the historical development of the last hundred years from the standpoint of this letter will at once understand that Dirtbag is a big fan of interrogation and torture.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 17, 2009 - 08:30pm PT
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isn't it depressing that computer programs can write better than humans, at least more witty and grammatical... and develop a train of thought, at least apparently, where most people are reduced to speaking in acronymic cypher...
...I don't very much like this sort of post simply because it serves only one purpose, to continue trolling on the thread. It really doesn't add anything to the thread, except a reaffirmation that the poster is unhappy for reasons they can't articulate in a complete sentence. But hey, what is technology for if not to fill in between the grunts...
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Nov 17, 2009 - 08:35pm PT
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Well, true, but it is kind of funny, and when it comes down to it, everything has already been said more than once on this topic anyway.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 17, 2009 - 08:37pm PT
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Ed-"We have never gone to war to determine the interpretation of scientific theory...".
Better watch out your going to start a war here!!
Seriously though, that is man made religion that was the cause. Not Jesus.
And I agree.
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Nov 17, 2009 - 08:38pm PT
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..attrition by ascription
U winz!
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 17, 2009 - 08:46pm PT
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dirtbag!
I just noticed we have something in common!
We are both disgusting and malodorous...or it has been suggested that we are such. Along with my longstanding dirtbag status, there is the remote possibility we are related
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 17, 2009 - 10:02pm PT
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Quote Here ...I don't very much like this sort of post simply because it serves only one purpose, to continue trolling on the thread. It really doesn't add anything to the thread, except a reaffirmation that the poster is unhappy for reasons they can't articulate in a complete sentence. But hey, what is technology for if not to fill in between the grunts..
Nah, like TripL7 I'm just malodorous.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Nov 17, 2009 - 10:52pm PT
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dirtbag-"Gods chums sit around doing nothing...".
That may certainly have some truth, but there are many examples to the contrary for instance 'Operation Blessing'. They were first on the seen, and are still in the Gulf Coast states hardest hit by Katrina. This was publicised nationally. During and after the crisis truck load after truckload of goods and services. Rebuilt homes, provided shelter medical aid all kinds of relief. I financially support them.
They go all over the world digging wells in India, Africa, Indonesia and elsewhere. Provide medical services for such wide spread Third World needs as cleft palate, cataracts etc. All volunteer health professionals and all Cristian. These are thousands of M.D., nurses, and health care workers like myself who pay there own way. And there are no strings attached. We go to Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu etc. third world countries, improving and saving lives. Just one example.
EDIT:just another example of the fulminations of an improvident and malodorous bible thumping dirtbag.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Nov 18, 2009 - 12:50am PT
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Jesus; Bright & morning star
Revelation 22:16, “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.1) By John MacArthur
http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive
To us who believe these are God's truths, but to unbelievers the Bible are just fairytales.
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