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dirtbag
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Jun 28, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
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"Shet"?
You said it, not me...
Roy Spencer
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Spencer and the "Interfaith Stewardship Alliance"
Spencer is listed as a "scientific advisor" for an organization called the "Interfaith Stewardship Alliance" (ISA). According to their website, the ISA is "a coalition of religious leaders, clergy, theologians, scientists, academics, and other policy experts committed to bringing a proper and balanced Biblical view of stewardship to the critical issues of environment and development."
http://www.desmogblog.com/roy-spencer
Opposition to evolution and embrace of "intelligent design"
Spencer has been an active in advocating Intelligent Design over evolution, and he argues that its teaching should be mandatory in schools[10]. Working with the Interfaith Stewardship Alliance, Spencer has been part of an effort to advocate environmental policy that is based on a "Biblical view" rather than science. As a defender of the pseudoscience of "Intelligent Design" creationism, Spencer has asserted that the scientific theory of evolution is really just a kind of religion.[11]
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Roy_Spencer
Spencer is a proponent of intelligent design as the mechanism for the origin of species.[25] On the subject, Spencer wrote in 2005, "Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as 'fact,' I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism. . . . In the scientific community, I am not alone. There are many fine books out there on the subject. Curiously, most of the books are written by scientists who lost faith in evolution as adults, after they learned how to apply the analytical tools they were taught in college."[25] In The Evolution Crisis, a compilation of five scientists who reject evolution, Spencer states: "I finally became convinced that the theory of creation actually had a much better scientific basis than the theory of evolution, for the creation model was actually better able to explain the physical and biological complexity in the world... Science has startled us with its many discoveries and advances, but it has hit a brick wall in its attempt to rid itself of the need for a creator and designer."[26]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist);
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 28, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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But WAIT!
I thought we were not to involve higher powers and creationism.
Surely we all agree this debate is about science versus science.
And that means no "agenda" of disproving evolution, promoting god stuff.
Just plain old scientific method obtained FACTS versus scientific method obtained refuting facts.
Right?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 07:41pm PT
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I'm laughing at you Chief, not with you.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 07:44pm PT
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You are funny Chief. You don't know sh#t, but that doesn't stop you from non-stop yapping.
"YAP! YAP! YAP!!!"
LOL!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2011 - 08:29pm PT
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Chief, do you believe in gravity?
-- Gary
Now ya'll are going to equate AGW with the natural universal law of gravity.
-- The Chief
Ahh, a simple glimpse into a simple mind.
Now we see how The Chief does it! Somebody makes a statement, and The Chief goes kazy off the charts with assumptions and projections about the meaning of the statement.
Hey The Chief, did Gary ever equate gravity with AWG??
Only in your mind, brother, only in your mind...
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 29, 2011 - 11:14am PT
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Before you guys get too bent out of shape over The Chief, be advised that his first post on summitpost was about his plan to place convenience anchors in the U Notch.
'Nuf said?
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Jun 29, 2011 - 11:35am PT
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And I know you really want to be right, so... stick to what you know - your own behaviour.
Goclimb, I'm calling you on this one. I dispute that The Chief knows his own behavior. He is a Don Quixote defending virtue and righteousness against the armies of ignorance and weakness. Take that you freakin' windmill!
Don't be ridiculous. The Chief knows his own behavior perfectly well, and has described it right here in this thread.
Some of you here are nuts. It makes no more sense to claim that because The Chief is stubbornly wrong about AGW, that must mean he doesn't know what he himself is doing, than it does to claim that because Al Gore builds mansions and flies around in personal jets, that must mean he's wrong about AGW.
Clearly The Chief has a personal outlook on life, and a lifestyle, that have at their foundation a set of core tenets which would be seriously eroded if AGW were true. So in order to live his life, AGW must be false.
Trying to convince him otherwise is, therefore, a personal attack. It's also guaranteed to fail. The only way it would succeed is if something in his own real life caused him to radically change/abandon his own core beliefs and lifestyle. In other words, not gonna happen.
GO
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 29, 2011 - 12:45pm PT
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Yup! Now for the rest of the story....
Sorry, Chief, I'm immune to your trolls. I was just giving the fellas here a heads up as to your MO.
But you should start a thread about Sierra convenience anchors. That should be good for a couple of thousand posts around here.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 29, 2011 - 12:57pm PT
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Yup Gary, keep up the hypocrisy.
You, too, Chief.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 29, 2011 - 12:59pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 29, 2011 - 01:08pm PT
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This Bud's for you, Chief!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 29, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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You most definitely are the humper dude, eh. Try to get some, puke instead after she runs off laughing at your ass and then you have nothing left but to stay behind to frolic and consume your own bile. All the while, she is off and having a peaceful day. This assuredly epitomizes your life. Good one.
I miss your whines about insults.
Please, do it again!
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Degaine
climber
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Jun 29, 2011 - 02:07pm PT
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The Chief wrote:
The fact is that I refuse to not allow ...
Meaning that you allow. Might want to correct that.
Here's he full sentence:
The fact is that I refuse to not allow what you and your side perceives as what "might" happen, to affect me.
That sentence reads that you indeed allow "what the other side perceives ..." to affect you.
Carry on.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 30, 2011 - 12:43pm PT
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The Chief is busy on summitpost telling people they need to rope up for the Middle Pal glacier.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 30, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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weschrist, don't take The Chief seriously. He's an Internet cartoon character out for a troll, that's all. That's his thing. A real life reliable source tells me he's a good guy to climb with.
His picture on summitpost of a roped up party on the approach to Winchell is pretty funny, you have to admit.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jun 30, 2011 - 01:35pm PT
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Queef, did you suffer drain bramage during your career swabbing the poop deck?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 30, 2011 - 02:02pm PT
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Luv ya Gary Schenk.
You, too Chief, you big luvable goof!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 30, 2011 - 02:11pm PT
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Chief, got a question for you I tried to get you to answer yesterday, you probably did not see it.
I accept that you believe the Scientific Method was "flawed", data interpreted wrongly, regarding the conclusion of "science" behind CC.
However, you really do seem to be anti science in general, not just specifically CC stuff.
The results, the successes of science are all around you. Your military career was based on scientific knowledge, the car you drive, the computer you type on.
So why do you come across as so emotionally anti-science in general, not just CC?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 30, 2011 - 02:41pm PT
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No Chief.
Those words and conclusions are yours, not mine, I never said any of those things.
Of course human knowledge, science, can and did result in bad things as well as good things.
No one has said otherwise, no one denies this.
But are you really suggesting that because humans used scientific knowledge for "evil", as well as good, that humans should not be using any of that knowledge, that humans would be "better off" if we did not employ these learned scientific skills, that we are better off living as early humans did tens of thousands of year ago?
Help me out on this as I am not clear just exactly what you conclude.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jun 30, 2011 - 02:46pm PT
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So let me get this straight The Queef. You went to a witch doctor when you received combat injuries, right? Because you know, science is evil and all that.
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