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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 25, 2010 - 01:32pm PT
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Many nutjobs use religion as justification for committing attrocities or other selfserving acts. Virturally all religions have been used in some way to justify some whacko agenda.
Spirituallity and regligion are not necessarily the same thing. I like to think spiritual people would never try to justify killing other people in the name of their religion. Guess I am just naive.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Nov 26, 2010 - 10:50am PT
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"Why risk prison to help get repubs elected in an already red state? Seems stupid."
 when have you know a rupuke to do anything that made sense?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Nov 26, 2010 - 02:52pm PT
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if loving america is wrong, then i don't wanna be right...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuv0K8H8ILM
i do think his argument for our "cultural" exceptionalism is embarrassingly weak: movies and music? no, our cultural superiority is based entirely on our freedom
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 26, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
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skipt and bookworm,
A couple of honest questions:
Why is it so important for you both to be able to claim that America is exceptional? You both seem fixated on the image of the USA being exceptional, why is that? Why the incessant need to assert being number 1?
What makes you think that the US is culturally superior to other cultures?
What makes you think that people in the US have the most freedom? What does "the most freedom" mean to you?
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 26, 2010 - 04:03pm PT
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My question was not "what can freedom do for people?".
If you don't want to answer my questions, just write so.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Nov 26, 2010 - 05:04pm PT
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Degaine,
They are not content with themselves so the must be "superior" to something.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 26, 2010 - 06:31pm PT
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De Toqueville does an excellent job of explaining it. Possibly the best critique and explanation of Americans ever written.
Available for free also.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/toc_indx.html
Sorry if a 600 page volume is a bit to much for you.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 26, 2010 - 06:48pm PT
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Who's M. Savage?
Possibly AC will regale us with a short synopsis of De Tocqueville since he seems to have a supernatural knowledge of who has read his work?
Maybe he can exposit on the Federalist Papers as well.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
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Every citizen of every country thinks their country is exceptional. That is what makes America so exceptional....much like everywhere else.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 06:52pm PT
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Yeah, AC...who are you to decide who is best or not?
USA #1
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 06:54pm PT
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Cause I was born here. If I was born somewhere else I'd probably live there. I'd also think it was awesome.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 06:58pm PT
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To respond to your edit, Skipt:
I think it's interesting that you only live here because it's number 1. If it was number 2 you'd move I guess? But in reality someone says "hey you know America actually isn't number 1" and instead of say "oh sh#t well then I'm moving!" you attack them to discredit them so that you can keep believing that its number 1.
So really, it matters to neither of us that the USA is number 1. What is important is that you are allowed to keep BELIEVING that it is.
That's because you go with the flow.
Learn to think for yourself.
Ahaha oh god. You're right, I should learn to think for myself exactly like you do. USA #1 Look at me I'm a rebel.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 07:01pm PT
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By my reasoning people go where they want to (or, more often, stay where they are born). You simply can't think beyond your own criteria for living somewhere because you're so busy thinking for yourself. Try thinking like someone else.
And you're right. I should clearly learn to develop my own opinions. You, sir, are a sharp and insightful character. USA #1
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
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Exactly.
USA #1
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 07:06pm PT
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Yeah that wasn't as witty as you thought it might be. Luckily you can still edit it to look witty now and then pretend that my current post is just crazy talk. Hurry, before someone quotes you.
*edit*
Ahaha you already edited it. Too funny.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
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Exactly.
USA #1
*edit*
Ahahaha you just edited THAT post too!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 07:09pm PT
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And people wonder how skipt can believe in revisionist history.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 07:10pm PT
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Wow you're really reaching for insults. Don't hurt your arm. You still have a few innings of softballs to keep pitching at me.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Nov 26, 2010 - 07:12pm PT
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oh snap! I forgot about that one. Actually, if you remember correctly, he was in the special forces.
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