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TripL7

Trad climber
'dago'
Nov 14, 2009 - 03:09pm PT
Jaybro- "Language is a virus from outer space"..."I would rather hear their name than see their face".

But we usualy remember their face after we hear their name! Which I suppose may drive some of us a little 'spacey'.

And man is the host of the virus from outer space....maybe Klimmer isn't so 'spacey'.
TripL7

Trad climber
'dago'
Nov 14, 2009 - 03:15pm PT
Norton- "will you kill her also"?

Werner would be the one resuscitating her!!

Trip~
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Nov 14, 2009 - 08:55pm PT
The Bat Boy! Played At THUNDERDOME!
Two team enter one team leave!
TripL7

Trad climber
'dago
Nov 15, 2009 - 04:31am PT
Dr.F!

I love hearing what you have to say as much as Werner or anyone!
I am tired, just happened to see your Q can only respond to one.
The fish had the sea, perhaps there was just the right mixture of fresh and salt water? Look at it this way-If there is realy a God(think out of the box for a second)and He created the whole universe, don't you think He could keep the fish alive in the sea?

And realy Dr.F. Everyone thinks very highly of you here. You have a brilliant mind, and fortitude and resilience and I'm sure you a super climber. You have integrity and are esteemable and have given countless hours towards debate and discussion. If a handful of us were in some predicament some were I'm sure we would all bond besides or differences.
Werner I am certain has respect for you or wouldn't waste his time in discussion. We are all friends here. OK?

I am going to bed. Goodnight. You two(Werner&Dr.F.)try and have a modicum of respect for each other. Sheeeezzz!!
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 15, 2009 - 06:24am PT
Since I'm always looking for the middle ground, and material for my classes, here's a list of books on the up and coming topic of Neurotheology. As some folks continue to argue about evolution vs. religion, the cutting edge of both biology and faith is forging ahead.

These selections represent both pro biological and pro religious views as well as Christian and Buddhist understandings of the subject.


What is Neurotheology? Brian C. Alston
http://www.amazon.com/What-Neurotheology-Brian-C-Alston/dp/1419668250/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b


Physical Mysticism: The Brain and Mystical Experiences. Steven H. Wyre
http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Mysticism-Brain-Mystical-Experiences/dp/1419618849/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258259583&sr=8-16


Mysticism, Mind, Consciousness. Robert K.C. Forman
http://www.amazon.com/Mysticism-Mind-Consciousness-Robert-Forman/dp/0791441709/ref=pd_sim_b_3


The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist's Case for the Existence of the Soul.
Mario Beauregard and Denyse O'leary
http://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Brain-Neuroscientists-Case-Existence/dp/0060858834/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258258345&sr=8-5


Buddha's Brain: The Practical Neuroscience of Happiness, Love, and Wisdom. Rick Hanson
http://www.amazon.com/Buddhas-Brain-Practical-Neuroscience-Happiness/dp/1572246952/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258256994&sr=8-1



Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Nov 15, 2009 - 09:50am PT
"If I go to the Valley, and need a rescue, I will say I'm 777, and I love all WB has to say, and thanks for the rescue"

Werner is Searching and Rescuing for you now!

Rescue; Deliver from danger or evil, liberate,
an act of rescuing...
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Nov 15, 2009 - 09:52am PT
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Nov 16, 2009 - 08:46am PT
Jesus; Bridegroom,
Matthew 9:14-15, Then the disciples of John came to him, saying, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?” And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.
Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.1) By John MacArthur
http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 16, 2009 - 09:58am PT
"The fish had the sea, perhaps there was just the right mixture of fresh and salt water? Look at it this way-If there is realy a God(think out of the box for a second)and He created the whole universe, don't you think He could keep the fish alive in the sea?"

If there really is a god, why does he need so much drama? And why does he manifest himself today so ordinarily (I know, amazing stuff happens all the time) as opposed to the days of burning bushes, Leviathans, 900 yr old dudes, talking snakes, worldwide floods (where did that water go?) Isn't there just the wee-ist chance that these tales, if not made up from whole cloth in the first place, Got just a little exagerated over time?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 16, 2009 - 12:08pm PT
Back in those so-called miraculous days Jaybro, how many people in the ancient world actually heard about those Miracles? I'd say it still happens today and we either disbelieve it (and some of it may be bs too) or we don't hear. Read Autobiography of a Yogi for every bit the miracles (from the East and West) of the good book

Peace

Karl
WBraun

climber
Nov 16, 2009 - 12:59pm PT
People are so dumb.

Miracles happen every instant.

The sun coming up always in perfect timing from the east.

The birth of a child.

A flower

Clouds etc, etc, etc.

Then mundane man tries analyze and dissect all these things into a his limited box called brain. His brain isn't big enough so he invents computer to store all this sh'it to over tax his poor brain.

No wonder they can't understand anything anymore in this day and age.

Buffer overflow, crash, lockup.

Then they can't sleep, they have headaches, schizophrenia, etc etc etc.

Then stupid shrink says take this pill which was made thru the above described idotic cycle and you'll be saved .....
TripL7

Trad climber
'dago
Nov 16, 2009 - 04:40pm PT
Jaybro-"where did all the water go"?

Before the flood, there was a mist surrounding the earths atmosphere. Never rained before that. People had no clue what 'rain' was. When it was over, I imagine it evaporated back into the atmosphere, creating the cycles that we have now. With a rainbow thrown in for a promise/reminder, that it would never happen that way again.
I can see how this may sound like a silly man made myth. But God has feelings, attributes if you will much like ours. And chooses very unique ways to communicate with us.
I believe he created Yosemite, and the great ranges of the world, with the seekers, the searchers and the climber in mind.

EDIT: If He does exist, and the 'Bible' is authored by Him through man. Is that such an impossible feat? To have made sure that man, His most treasured creation, would receive this 'letter' from Him?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 16, 2009 - 04:46pm PT
I believe in, and appreciate, day to day miracles. Still think a suspiciously large amount of the weirdst stuff is conveniently buried in the past.

Now Trip, I truly respect you, but that mist thing is reaching...
dirtbag

climber
Nov 16, 2009 - 04:46pm PT
I can see how this may sound like a silly man made myth.

Ya think?
TripL7

Trad climber
'dago
Nov 16, 2009 - 04:53pm PT
Jaybro- "mist thing".

It's written about in Genesis!

Take note of edit above/fwiw.
TripL7

Trad climber
'dago
Nov 16, 2009 - 05:01pm PT
Hey dirtbag!
You realy missed out last week. t*r was looking for you....left a message titled "dirtbag where are you"? I noticed it at just after 1AM. At first I thought I had hit the jackpot, there being no responses that late and me having dirtbag credentials and all...no such luck.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 16, 2009 - 05:03pm PT
I always seem to arrive to the party after everyone's gone home.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 16, 2009 - 05:05pm PT
again, where did the water go? I know our views vary, but genisis is not exactly proof, of, anything.

Edit got the edit, but again you have to take a lot of new, exceptional stuff as fact, to accept this. Great, if you already believe it already (kinda recursive) but not very convincing if, like many of us, you don't; no evidence.
TripL7

Trad climber
'dago
Nov 16, 2009 - 05:26pm PT
Jaybro!

Lets just say, if there was a mist enveloping the earth's atmosphere, approaching thousands of feet, equally over the earth. And it condensed, formed massive clouds, rained and filled the earth. Evaporated forming the atmosphere as we know it today. Ed(?) went and visited the Creation science exhibit, maybe he asked them!! It is realy not my focus. They would be able to answer the question I suppose.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 16, 2009 - 05:39pm PT
What if there was a giant sponge, full of water sitting in space, and a goblin hand squeezed it and made water over the land? Is there some way that is less logical?
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