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dirtbag
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:32pm PT
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Why do you guys even try to seriously discuss this issue with blow hards like the Chief? It's just a frustrating waste of time and energy.
He basically just ignore or dodges any fact or inquiry he doesn't like then fesses up that he doesn't give a rats ass about it anyway because of some kind of great spirit or something or whatever in the sky.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:36pm PT
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I mean really, what exactly is the problem with this wonderful life being it and when we're done, we're done? Why on earth is that so frightening? Personally, I have zero problem with simply shuffling off the mortal coil into oblivion. Seems totally irrational to me for our culture to be so afraid of death.
It's instinct. We are hardwired to be afraid of death, otherwise we'd take too much risk. So of course the largest institutions in the world have taken advantage of this to convince people to believe what they tell them.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:36pm PT
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Chief, yes we get it, you are fully capable of calling others arrogant and stupid when they call you the same.
Tit for Tat.
But can we put that behind and get back to your outright dismissal of the science?
You have been respectfully invited by Ed to present your detailed analysis of why you assert that the science is, in effect, "flawed:.
Let's hear your case, science has made theirs.
It is not enough to say science is "wrong" without showing exactly why. ok?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:36pm PT
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The effects of AGW are uncertain, and the future is uncertain in general, but I think it's irresponsible to pretend there is no problem so you don't have to conserve at all.
Word.
John
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:42pm PT
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So not only is all the AGW science the only good science available, but it is now "fact"!
Yep. You are a data dodger.
And a gigantic blow hard with a big f*#king mouth.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:48pm PT
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Coming from one that is totally enslaved to the material chains of the 9-5 office cubicle and the constant whims of his spouse, don't mean shet.
And I guess one alternative is to BE LIKE THE CHIEF.
I'm sure people are lining up early just to be like you. LOL.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:48pm PT
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Your data stinks of hypocrisy. And demands that I accept or we will die.
Says the hyporcite in CHIEF. LOL!
You're funny.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:52pm PT
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Your AGW data stinks of hypocrisy and self loathing. It allows no other science than it's own kind to speak and prevail. Worse, it demands that I accept or we will die.
For those of you trying to make sense of what he just said, allow me to translate it for you:
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:53pm PT
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How much C02 is your office building pouring into the atmosphere as we speak.
Too much.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 28, 2011 - 01:59pm PT
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Chief, you and I have NOT engaged in name calling.
I am asking you, respectfully, to refute and/or discredit the scientific findings behind CC.
I know that you stand opposed to that science, but please make your case exactly, specifically, why that particular science is flawed.
Thank you
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 02:20pm PT
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The two post above yours purely exemplify why I and so many others do not want anything to do with this AGW science.
Says the man who is The Chief monkey poo flinger here...
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Jun 28, 2011 - 02:29pm PT
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TheCheif wrote:
Were you thinking of "WE" when you last put the key into the ignition, turned it over, fired up the fossil fuel burning pistons and vrooooooooom, off you went. Adding that much more C02 to the atmosphere that is going to kill us all.
There sure is a lot of we here. But the folks claiming all this weism are just as much to blame than the next guy. In some cases, are the worse offenders out there.
Speak for yourself, bud. We know you don't give a damn, and you feel entirely justified in driving a big truck.
So be it. You've staked your claim.
But don't speak for me, or label all of us who believe the science as accurate and predictive as "hypocrites". Because if you do so, you're not only flat out wrong, but purposefully so. And I know you really want to be right, so... stick to what you know - your own behaviour.
GO
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Jun 28, 2011 - 02:40pm PT
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Why do you guys even try to seriously discuss this issue with blow hards like the Chief? It's just a frustrating waste of time and energy.
He basically just ignore or dodges any fact or inquiry he doesn't like then fesses up that he doesn't give a rats ass about it anyway because of some kind of great spirit or something or whatever in the sky.
Good point.
One answer:
For the same reason that most online debate happens: the assumption that you're not only talking to the one person you're responding to, but also to myriad others, some posting, some lurking.
GO
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Jun 28, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
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You're probably right, Dingus.
So maybe it's:
GO
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2011 - 05:11pm PT
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No one else is reading and lurkers don't care. Its just a circle jerk.
T'ain't true.
It's not a circle jerk because I have learned a LOT by the various folks posting. The Chief, the blow-hard that he might be, as gotten others to post some really viable stuff here. If it were just a one-sided chorus, then maybe nobody would care to bury the claims of the deniers.
As it stands, I now have some solid reasoning (and science) behind why I believe the warming is, to a good extent, caused by mankind ourselves.
As far as reading what The Chief has to say--I long ago began the process of scrolling through his narrow-minded hot air.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Jun 28, 2011 - 05:33pm PT
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Al Gore’s Cultists,The Warmists, Now Have A Prayer To Chant
http://www.mizozo.com/world/12/2009/15/copenhagen-prayer.html
This was really the only thing that the Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) were still lacking. Al Gore’s apocalyptic cultists already have the blind faith, strict dogma, and holier-than-thou attitudes. All they were lacking was prayer.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 28, 2011 - 06:44pm PT
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Chief, do you believe in gravity?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 28, 2011 - 06:48pm PT
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Blow harder Chief!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 28, 2011 - 07:23pm PT
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I want to see the FACTS that REFUTE the below:
NOT an opinion, but a direct refutation of this:
Global warming is the current rise in the average temperature of Earth's oceans and atmosphere and its projected continuation. The scientific consensus is that global warming is occurring and was initiated by human activities, especially those that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning of fossil fuels.[2][3] This finding is recognized by the national science academies of all the major industrialized countries and is not rejected by any scientific body of national or international standing.[4][5][6][A]
Scientists directly measured the global surface temperature increase during the 20th century at about 0.74°C (1.33°F).[7][A] Potential future warming is projected using computer models of the climate system and hypothetical amounts of greenhouse gas emissions for possible future worlds, published in 2000.[8] Actual emissions since 2000 have equaled or exceeded the "A2 scenario", except for small dips during two global recessions.[8][9][10] According to the 2007 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the "best estimate" of future warming for the A2 scenario is 3.4°C (6.1°F) by 2100, with a likely range from 2.0-5.4°C (3.6-9.7°F).[7][11]
An increase in global temperature will cause sea levels to rise and will change the amount and pattern of precipitation, probably including expansion of subtropical deserts.[12] Warming is expected to be strongest in the Arctic and would be associated with continuing retreat of glaciers, permafrost and sea ice. Other likely effects of the warming include more frequent occurrence of extreme weather events including heatwaves, droughts and heavy rainfall events, species extinctions due to shifting temperature regimes, and changes in agricultural yields. Warming and related changes will vary from region to region around the globe, though the nature of these regional changes is uncertain.[13] In a 4°C world, the limits for human adaptation are likely to be exceeded in many parts of the world, while the limits for adaptation for natural systems would largely be exceeded throughout the world. Hence, the ecosystem services upon which human livelihoods depend would not be preserved.[14]
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 28, 2011 - 07:32pm PT
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OK! Thanks Chief. I WILL read it.
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