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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 21, 2017 - 01:50pm PT
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PIMPOTUS of LOVE
#NotSteveMiller
Despite the scrutiny, Trump Models has deleted its Instagram account. Sources report Trump cannot provide accounts showing Trump Models was ever a legitimate business. There are multiple public reports that the agency forced girls to work for slave wages. The Daily Beast’s Michael Gross also reported that Donald Trump personally pimped out underage girls from parties at his own hotels. For this, Trump, and his children Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka Trump, all part of Trump International Hotels management, may be held liable, sources say.
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Vlad Pricker
Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
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Aug 21, 2017 - 02:05pm PT
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zBrown, I have not heard of that and I will look further into that. But it would not surprise me to see that Trump and Co were involved in some sort of agency like that. And not to belabor a point, but did Melania come to America and work legally?
Yes, some of you Trumpers, insult me if you want, but I know what it is like to be legal and illegal (undocumented) in a country.
It appears, that Trump has so many skeletons in his closet. And to those who support him on this forum, do you support him or his "ideas"?
The guy is using you people to enrich himself and his ego. It is so obvious, do not let your hate for the system blind you that you picked the wrong dude.
People point to his successes, the White House Press Office points to his "historic", uhh, I am going to have trouble finishing this sentence. His "historic"... gosh...
What successes? Many of the economic positives that have happened in the past six plus months because of policies or decisions put in place before Donny's head hit the pillow at 1600 Penn Ave. Look it up. These things do not happen overnight.
How in the world can you people support this donkey? You want change (who doesn't?) then this guy is not it.
I await sensible feedback. And for those who want to moan and insult me, yawn...
EDIT
I do not read from one source. I do not research from one source, (from many, I do, f*#k man I am a recognised writer and I try to cover all angles objectively. Do I succeed? Perhaps not, but I try). I look even at Breitbart (but I draw the line at Drudge, what a scumbag). I look at the links some of you Trump supporters present.
I am totally unconvinced your man is the biz. Hell, he cannot even run his own businesses in the black. Look it up. it is there. No fake news. Accounts and such.
America and you have been sold a loser. That is my opinion. But now that he is POTUS, his debts, his money problems, poof, the magic dragon.
EDIT
Guyman, I just saw your post. Well, if you are happy with the way matters are unfolding, what can I say. But I wonder if you have removed your rose-tinted glasses as you have claimed, and then to 'remonstrate' with me to remove mine. Best wishes, Paddy
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 21, 2017 - 02:19pm PT
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Trump stared at the eclipse with naked eyes. I am willing to bet Obama was not that stupid
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 21, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
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Furthermore, the sex trafficking of girls and underage children is linked to the Russian government via the same internet data that links Hostkey, the Russian hackers of the American election, with Mir Telemakti. They all share a registrant address in the British Virgin Islands.
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Vlad Pricker
Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
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Aug 21, 2017 - 02:30pm PT
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You know, on a final note, I am finished trying to make some understand, not that I know that much mind you. But I have always tried to keep an open mind.
I can sing to the "echo chamber" of those who agree with me, and I can try to make those who do not see my way a different viewpoint that some do not want to see.
So be it.
I have too much to do but to joust with some on this forum, to cross swords. That is not what I am here to do. I have made my mistakes on this forum, in some ways, but I trust you all as climbers, we have that in common.
I have a social enterprise to get off the ground, Health Horizons, to fight dementia, and also a business that will make money (Thespis3T), hopefully.
I bid you all a fare well. I will be deactivating my account as I did with Patrick Sawyer (once I get through to admin). Life is too short.
Regards and cheers
Patrick
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Vlad Pricker
Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
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Aug 21, 2017 - 02:58pm PT
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Thanks Dwain, so do I. It was a pleasure not knowing you and I imagine the feeling is mutual.
Until admin deactivates my account (I asked a short time ago, emailed) I will still respond to idiots and sensible people. Take your pick which you are.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Aug 21, 2017 - 03:17pm PT
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Jon Beck:
I will admit that Syria was an unmitigated disaster, but could Obama really have improved the situation? Jon Beck, assuming Obama cared aboute peace he could have prevented States Department and Hillary from starting a sectarian war in Syria.
Obama did nothing and allowed States Department hawks to destroy Syria similar to other Middle Eastern and North African countries.
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Vlad Pricker
Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
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Aug 21, 2017 - 03:18pm PT
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Dwain wrote:
You Idiot.
Yeah. I am, and it takes one to know one. Am I in good company?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 21, 2017 - 03:26pm PT
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"NOBODY in our government is for us. NOBODY. This is the grandest, sickest game in human history, and you guys choose sides like it matters.
I'll vote third-party for the rest of my life. Maybe at some point some change can actually occur as the two present parties are finally recognized for the sickness that they BOTH are."
Said like a true expert on a subject in which he has never met anyone in gov't. All hypothetical, nothing practical.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 21, 2017 - 03:28pm PT
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and Nuclear war "adverted" with Iran... thats a big LOL if there ever was one.
yep, when we held the nuclear war last week.....OH! you mean there hasn't been one? In spite of the predictions of the GOP that it would happen within a year if the deal passed?
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 21, 2017 - 03:34pm PT
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In April, CNN reported that Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost more than an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days in office, putting the President on pace to surpass former President Barack Obama's eight years of spending on travel -- in only his first year in office.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Aug 21, 2017 - 03:40pm PT
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Vlad- Dude- with ALL due respect..... I voted for something, and I got it and I am pretty happy with it. Yes sir I am happy with it.
Keesee, dude. what you voted for is a disaster.
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Vlad Pricker
Mountain climber
The cliffs of insanity, inconceivable
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Aug 21, 2017 - 04:02pm PT
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Anders, Mighty Hiker, a sound post and better advice. It is dark now, no not the eclipse, but I have walked Aggie twice on the beach today, first before going to town for business, and then after.
Yeah, maybe I should shut up, but since I will no longer be on this forum (I will be back as Patrick Sawyer if I have some climbing posts, hopefully) I like to spray a bit. I hope that is allowed.
I just cannot believe there are that many people who think Trump is the business. At best, the guy is an idiot savant.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 21, 2017 - 04:03pm PT
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Patrick -- "I am beginning to be immune to bullsh#t, but fire away if you want."
LOL, ..... that is the best thing you've said for a while now ..... LOL
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Aug 21, 2017 - 04:11pm PT
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Keesee, dude. what you voted for is a disaster.
The lesser of the two, I reckon.
And Patrick.. please don't start up with asking the management to DE-activate you. If you want to just stop looking at the taco.
I have enjoyed your somewhat unique posts and posting style.
You say you try to understand "the other side" but in reality I do not believe that you do.
And no body here is bullying you to do anything..... the DUCK bullies all of us in his own way.
So what wine you drinking tonight?
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c wilmot
climber
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Aug 21, 2017 - 04:15pm PT
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the Syrian conflict never would have lasted had obama not intervened on behalf of the terrorists. He was illegally supporting an armed coup as early as 2011.
The Syrian war is in large part an obama legacy
At least trump stopped the obama CIA program to directly arm Syrian terrorists. A program obama repeatedly lied about claiming no such support existed
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c wilmot
climber
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Aug 21, 2017 - 04:27pm PT
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Yet you have nothing but a silly insult.
You seriously think the rebels would be around without the endless support the US has given them?
Let them stand on their own. I doubt they would last a month.
Edit- insults...you read one article and think you are an expert..
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Aug 21, 2017 - 04:28pm PT
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Vlad posted;
You want change (who doesn't?) then this guy is not it.
British Prime Minister Lord Salisbury is said to have remarked to Queen Victoria;
"Change, change, why do we need more change? Aren't things bad enough already?"
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Aug 21, 2017 - 04:34pm PT
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The concept that escapes you MB is that of leadership.
It doesn't escape me; I just don't believe it exists at the federal level in our era. Partisan thinkers always believe that "their guy" is/was a great leader. Of course the "other guy" is always an incompetent buffoon and a danger to democracy itself.
Trump is a poor leader. Obama was a natural.
And there's my point.
Ever dawn on you that Obamacare is actually popular with a majority of the country? Probably not.
Ah, FINALLY you're able to accurately write that. You've had to wait a long time for that statement to be accurate, and it's only just recently accurate. Also, if it weren't for the cluster-fornication that is the Rebumblecon's "efforts," you still wouldn't be able to accurately say it. It's accurate only in the context of its comparison with the stupidity exhibited by the Repub's this go-round.
So, you have this tiny window of time in which the BARE majority prefer it to the Rebumblecon's cluster-fornication, but that hardly means that Obamacare has been popular with the majority for the vast majority of the time it's been in effect.
If your definition of "leadership" is cramming a new entitlement down the throats of the middle-class when your party owns the government, done in the greatest evidence of PURE partisanship in our lifetimes, well, then we cannot agree on the basic definition of "natural leadership". I call it a joke, and even the "majority" you refer to regarding this very momentary "acceptance" of Obamacare are in agreement that Obamacare was and is a horrific mess that exhibited everything but "leadership". And, ironically, Obama's first election (the one that got him Obamacare) was established on an absolute commitment to cross-party negotiations and non-partisanship.
Here are a couple of haunting quote from that first election (of course, you guys will spin all these as "damn those Republicans that kept him from making good on these promises"):
“Washington is broken. My whole campaign has been premised from the start on the idea that we have to fundamentally change how Washington works.”
Uh, nope.
“I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”
LOL... THAT one sounds exactly like Trump! If you heard that from Trump, you'd be frothing at the mouth. But this was YOUR guy's unmitigated arrogance.
If Obama exhibited "leadership," then you make my point for me that I don't WANT anybody "leading"! Deadlock is the best form of OUR version of government (utterly corrupt, entirely in the pockets of big-banking and mega-corps), and with "we the people" so entirely divided on party lines that no true reform is even logically possible.
Ever dawn on you that diplomacy averted a nuclear showdown in iran?
Ah, there you go, making me laugh again. Keep 'em coming. You can't purchase this hilarious of entertainment by going to a comedy club.
Probably not.
No, "certainly not" is the line that applies in this context.
Lets talk about energy policy under Obama, worked out nicely and the economy responded.
If you call "energy policy" being in bed with mega-corps, big-oil, furthering the lie of dependency on foreign fossil fuels and lacking the huevos to actually END dependency on fossil fuels, well, again you just make my first point. Partisans will always spin "for their guy."
In the end, Obama will be remembered for the cluster-fornication of a new entitlement that (he says, proudly) bears his name.
You guys now spin that mess as "a step in the right direction" and say, "It was a necessary step toward what we really need: single-payer," as if Obamacare was DESIGNED that way. In FACT, it simply handed us to the insurance companies on a silver platter, was lobbied for hardest by THEM, and had ONLY that in its design. There was no "brilliance" or "leadership" in any of it.
And I always LOL at lines like "the economy responded." With "logic like that," well, I guess that Trump has been a winner, and, despite y'all's dire prognostications to the contrary, even Brexit has been a yuge winner.
You give credit where it isn't due, and you levy condemnations where they are not due. In FACT, "the economy" has virtually nothing to do with the President, and "causes" are always so oblique and long-delayed that exactly as cogent of arguments can be made to condemn one president as laud another. The time-slices in which you do your interpretations matter, and the truly "long-term results" are literally impossible to associate with this or that particular administration.
Finally, "the economy" is so amazingly robust that it's flat-out hard to keep it down. So, despite government's MANY mistakes with temporary hits to the optimism and productivity of most Americans, we tend to absorb the hits, adjust, and keep on rockin'. Thus, there are up and down turns, with a long-term trend of up.
Obama should get zero credit for the fact that "the economy" is amazingly resilient, despite HITS like Obamacare.
We understand you hate Obama, but that does not mean you have to defend Trump.
You misunderstand on both sides of that line. I don't hate Obama. I even voted for him the first time, you know, hoping for "change" that I never got. Even Obamacare was NO "reform"! However, even in retrospect, I don't consider him "the worst president ever" or that sort of froth that now is everywhere on the right.
By contrast, I don't "defend Trump." He's about as appealing as an old pile of bat droppings, and that is how I actually feel about him. I despise the Republicans about equally with the Democrats at this point. My position is that there's no defending ANY of them.
I got Gorsuch on the SCOTUS courtesy of Trump, and I take that to be a good thing. I might get lucky that sort of way once more. That will be a good thing, imo. But that's about all I even hope for. Everything else is a wash, and the LESS that government does "for me," the BETTER!
The question was asked, "If Obama ran third-party would I vote for him?" Well, that depends on "which Obama" we're talking about. I voted for him the first time, and knowing all I knew then and nothing more, I probably would have voted for him third-party. But there's no point in speculating.
If we're talking about "Obama as we know him in retrospect," well, there are multiple third-parties. LOL So, no need to be saddled with voting for him as the only "third-party alternative." I didn't and wouldn't vote for the Obama I knew by round two, and I wouldn't vote for that Obama as a third-party candidate. But, as I say, there are multiple third-parties.
My overarching point is that you guys will defend the indefensible if it's "your guy," and meanwhile you'll sweepingly bash on Trump as "the worst ever." The right says that about Obama, and the left has their new bashing-boy in Trump. It's all a sick game.
The day that the majority can get past partisan commitments is the day this nation has a hope of real reform. Until then, we can all just settle in to "enjoy" a deeper and deeper divided nation, with more and more gridlock, more and more acrimonious "discussions" that are DOA, and more and more factious power-grabbing... ALL manipulated by big-money, mega-corps, and international bankers--ALL of whom are OUR real enemies.
Carry on!
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 21, 2017 - 04:41pm PT
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