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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
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"Tit for a tat"
I must have a different definition that you do.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
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It'd be one thing if there were any actual climbing going on.
But apparently there isn't.
Want proof?
The last three posters to the "Occupy Supertopo with Climbing Info" thread had nothing more interesting to contribute than "bump".
That's what you'd apparently get if this forum were limited to discussion of climbing topics.
Count your blessings for politics, religion, and Bear 46, cause if not for that, all you'd have here that's climbing related is "bump" "bump" "bump".
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Jan 22, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
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Tatted tits now THAT would be a THREAD!
I'm still not going to post pictures of my boobs. (Yes, the rib tats come up onto the underboob)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 22, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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(Yes, the rib tats come up onto the underboob)
Careful there, someone will be on you for talking porn and objectifying women.....
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
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Sorry folks, I guess I take life too seriously. Remember, it is five to eight hours ahead of most of you.
Mental jet lag.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 22, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
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The future of this forum will be swapping coupons for deals on Geritol and trading tips for combating demetia.
Cause it sure as hell ain't a future filled with climbing.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Jan 22, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
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I climbed 5 days last week, but it wasn't photo op friendly.
So shoot me.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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Elcapinyourazz, I disagree. A lot of the older Taco Standers have children/grandchildren and such that are learning to climb. So if you want Geritol go to the AARP website.
The Taco Stand, in my opinion, has longevity. Perhaps you and I do not. But don't diss those of us who contribute. Yeah, at 56, I can't climb what I could at 26. Big deal. IMO this is a forum for people who have a common understanding and joy of climbing in life.
We cannot turn back the years, but we can rejoice, and for the younger ones, perhaps some more understanding.
Why such negativity? You wouldn't happen to be partners with Ken M, would you (okay mean on my part, but...)
And goddamn it, why can't some of you people reveal your real names. What are you afraid of?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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don't diss those of us who contribute
And what, pray tell, have you contributed with actual climbing content? Just to be clear, mentioning that there is a quarry nearby your home does not constitute "climbing content".
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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People, I am trying my best to be a good carer for a lovely woman with a medical condition. I hope that I do not come across as an a**hole.
I was not a top climber in the Valley, more like second, probably third tier.
But I think this forum does not deserve some of the comments people have posted.
I find the Taco Stand refreshing, intriguing and sad at times.
Perhaps I am wrong, but one or two people have said (or have indicated by their remarks) the forum is on its dying legs. Because some of us are old farts, or whatever.
Well then people, go elsewhere. Go to whatever forum you wish to express on on. Obviously, several posters do not like this forum. Well, then leave and find one to your liking.
There are new generations of climbers, many brought up by Supertopians, that deserve the richness, history and variety of such a forum. Not negative BS.
So just leave if you don't like it.
ChrisMac may have this forum to help sell books, but he has also kept it open for all of us, with little moderation. Perhaps some of us could use some moderation in our posts.
If you don't like it, don't contribute and leave. Good riddance.
Thanks Chris Mac, I like this forum. An honest forum for the most part, with some BS on the side, perhaps even some of my own.
EDIT
And one more tidbit...
I may be suffering from depression, certainly stress, being a full-time carer, so take with a grain of salt what I write.
Best wishes to all for 2013.
Cheers
Patrick
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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Don't change a thing. The line, and consquences, seem clear enough. All the craziness and randomness mixed with the climbing is what keeps the interest and energy level up.
There is junk and gems and everthing in between. Just like life. Roll with it!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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And what, pray tell, have you contributed with actual climbing content? Just to be clear, mentioning that there is a quarry nearby your home does not constitute "climbing content".
Correct Elcapinyourazz, not much.
Just an affinity with fellow climbers.
I'd love to say I climbed the Cassin Ridge, or Walkers Spur on the Grand Jorasses, or Cho Oyu and Ama Dablam (my dreams).
I'd love to give trip reports on how I climbed in Patagonia. But I can't. Because I haven't. But I have been a climber for some 42 years. Not the best, not top notch, but it is my love.
Elcapinyourazz, if you cannot understand me, it is more your loss than mine. Just keep climbing to what your heart says and of course, good solids anchors. Seriously. I am not dissing you, but you seem to think not so much of me. Fine,that is your choice. I do not wish you ill. Be safe dude.
and there may be some climbs in the Quarry that you may...
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
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There is no future.
There is only now.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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i don't know, i posted a topic late last night and now it is on page 4,
my transformer post at the audio forum has been on page 1 for a week,
place moves quick=advertising $$$,
if it ain't broke, jus sayin....
is there a button you can click to see how many people are online?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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Good for them Anders. That just may prove a certain person wrong about this forum 'dying'. Like I wrote earlier, there are a new generation of climbers, and let's hope this forum helps them learn and develop. And enjoy the banter without the negative BS some people write.
And be able to see through such BS.
Anders, I have not been to the Rockies, Himalayas or Andes lately, just a little old crag nearby, just a local quarry as one poster puts it, that is my input on climbing content so such a person says.
Well, I'll post up my next trip to Everest (North Face) to shut this person up.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
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+1 ^^^
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jan 22, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
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I never looked at this as a "climbing" forum but rather a forum were climbers (our clan) can discuss anything and everything.
Don't know how I became part of the clan or when I first I realized it. Climbing influenced me on a very deep level, and for some reason I consider climbers to be my peers and see things the way I do, even if they are expressing totally opposite views on some subject. (guns, boobs or whatever) I have no idea why but its something that stuck a long time ago.
There is definitely a campfire environment here and I wouldnt trade it for reading climbing magazine. I'm also more interested in stories about some gumbies learning how to rappel on El Cap, than about some famous name dude and the incredible things he can do. Epics, heroic failures, near death experiences, total screw-ups, gripping scary stories, that kind of thing is more interesting.
Also, whatever the forum is supposed to be about, what it's really about is YOSEMITE rock climbing.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jan 22, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
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well look at a typical outing,
one guy climbing, one cig smokin beer drinkin guy belaying,
and 5 others sittin round jus a jawin to pass the time till they rope up,
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jan 22, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
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For me, at least, the "off topic" stuff is easy to filter out if I don't find it interesting. And the fact that a particular thread is "non-climbing" on a climbing forum makes it "on topic" for me for one simple reason:
I have a lot more prima facie respect for people here, even the ones with which I strongly disagree, than the "main street" blow-hards. We're blow-hards here too. But it's largely a collection of blow-hards that do (or have done) things that make their opinions matter to me more than those of non-climbers.
Climbers have a certain core perspective that is quite different from the fundamentally risk-averse thinking that drives most people. For me, that core perspective makes even "off topic" threads very much on topic. I would really miss hearing climbers' perspectives of a whole range of subjects.
The fact that it's a climbers' forum makes threads "climbers' politics," "climbers' science," "climbers' religion," etc. That matters to me, and the eclectic mix of topics is appealing. Again, easy to filter out that which doesn't interest me.
Regarding abusive posting, etc., I'm all for banning real offenders on a case by case basis. Of course, the lines are hard to draw. Some very respected climbers would be banned for, for example, defamation, etc. Having spent my share of time on the receiving end, I would still say to most complainers: "Grow a thicker skin, and buck up." We're climbers, after all. We can't take it?
All due respect, Chris, and I mean that... There's little to fix here, imho. Please don't let a few squeaky wheels ruin a unique online environment. It's (mostly) all good.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Jan 22, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
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Well spoken, Madbolter.
I do wonder though if setting up a separate tab for OT posts will allow easier access to those people who just want to keep their focus on the climbing, while also allowing for the climber discussions of politics, religions, and current events to remain lively.
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