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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Feb 23, 2009 - 02:25pm PT
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48 days until Easter.
The Bunny abides.
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jstan
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Feb 23, 2009 - 02:51pm PT
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The sun is expected to last another four billion years I believe. Statistically, based upon what we see around us, how long do we think our specie will persist? Pessimists say 100 years while politicians always say four years. Economists say two months. Just as a WAG let's say a length of time equal to the time we, or something very like us, has existed. We get two numbers here based upon the members of which political party you are looking at. We could just average the two numbers, six million years and 30,000 years. I choose to take the length of time Cro-Magnon man has existed - something like 30,000 years.
Now we are very like a virus and the question is whether we will infect other planets before we have successfully used this one up. Based on long arguments only I believe and assuming we do not achieve supra-luminal velocities in the next 1000 years, I suspect we will not successfully spread.
So there is our answer. Barring substantial advances in physics we will become extinct. Now if we, momentarily, get religious we want to believe something is left behind that persists. Perhaps a little metal plaque saying, "Here lies mankind - little did he suspect." But if nature really cared about such things we, somewhere by now, would have found a metal plaque saying, "Here lies Tyrannosaurus - he bit off more than he could chew." But we have not.
So there it is Tilda.
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WBraun
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Feb 23, 2009 - 02:54pm PT
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We will become extinct.
Never will happen. Impossible to do.
Speculating is not science ....
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Feb 23, 2009 - 03:16pm PT
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Haha Fattrad you can't fool me, I know you have a soft underbelly of goodness!
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 23, 2009 - 03:21pm PT
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a BIG soft underbelly
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Feb 23, 2009 - 03:27pm PT
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I think we will populate other planets. With our current knowledge it may take 5000 years to reach another good planet. But that's not insurmountable given that humanity has lasted millions of years. At worst if the planet was dying we could send frozen embryos to be incubated once they arrived on another planet with robot caretakers.
But technology could be beyond what we dream today. Who knows a worm hole could take you to another planet in an instant.
The Lunar Outpost is in the works.
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MisterE
Trad climber
One Place or Another
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Feb 23, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
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I don't trust longhairs, generally. Will that be a problem when he comes? Or will he be all Metro-ed out for the faithful?
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Tomcat
Trad climber
Chatham N.H.
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Feb 23, 2009 - 03:39pm PT
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Would seem we could occupy this planet for a really long time if we could get our sh#t together.And if we can't,we certainly do not deserve another.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Feb 23, 2009 - 03:51pm PT
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please Jesus, let this thread die.
And while your at it, why dont you just cure all those suffering people in africa that have aids? and why did you create such an evil disease? or why did you let the devil create it? do you like to see people suffer? or is the devil just that much more powerful than you are? and could you please explain them gosh dang dinosaurs?
thanks
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 23, 2009 - 03:55pm PT
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He didn't create any disease, we did.
Everyone blames and points the finger outside of themselves.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 23, 2009 - 04:14pm PT
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aoKti29TR4tE&refer=home
AIG Seeks More Aid, May Lose $60 Billion, CNBC Says (Update1)
By Hugh Son and Vivek Shankar
Feb. 23 (Bloomberg) -- American International Group Inc., the insurer rescued by the government, is in talks with the U.S. for more funding as it prepares to report the biggest corporate loss in American history, CNBC reported, citing unidentified people familiar with the situation.
AIG may report a loss of as much as $60 billion, CNBC’s David Faber said. The company is also exploring bankruptcy, which is an unlikely outcome, Faber said.
A loss may cast doubt on the New York-based insurer’s ability to repay the government, which controls 80 percent of the shares. AIG’s rescue package was expanded to about $150 billion in November as regulators tried to reduce losses at firms that did business with the company. The insurer posted more than $60 billion in writedowns and unrealized losses in two years through Sept. 30, 2008.
Fourth-quarter results, which may be announced next week, will probably include writedowns on assets including securities tied to commercial mortgages, CNBC said today. The company’s board will meet this weekend to discuss another expansion of the rescue, the network reported. AIG spokeswoman Christina Pretto didn’t immediately return a call from Bloomberg seeking comment.
The insurer slipped 4 cents to 50 cents at 2:59 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, and has plunged 99 percent in the past 12 months.
To contact the reporters on this story: Hugh Son in New York at hson1@bloomberg.net; Vivek Shankar at vshankar3@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: February 23, 2009 15:09 EST
END OF REPORT
4:15 EDT
S&P500 presently below its lowest close since 1997
Dow is -257+ on the day
Unusually steady declines throughout the day.
Janus managing 125B$ has been downrated by S&P to BB+ /now junk
Debt exceeds cash by 600B+
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Feb 23, 2009 - 04:21pm PT
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Hoo boy, what fun, where to begin?!
First of all - to apostle/Juan de Fuca - nice job - one of your best trolls in a long time!
Second, regarding the Freemasons - devil-worshipers or not, I think they're cool.
Did y'all know that all Shriners are Freemasons? The funny hats, the little cars,
and the childrens' hospitals. What's not to like!? And another interesting fact - did you know
that Shriners hospitals are free? There is never any charge
for treatment at a Shriners Hospital. No kidding! Free care for little kids with debilitating disease, nasty injuries, and serious burns.
Oh, yeah, sounds like the work of the devil to me!
Cheers, all!
GO
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 23, 2009 - 04:54pm PT
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Fatty's so evil, the Shriners try to run him over in their go-carts.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Feb 23, 2009 - 05:24pm PT
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"light houses are more useful than Churches"
-Benjamin Franklin
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asioux
Trad climber
Rancho Cucamonga
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Mar 10, 2009 - 02:58pm PT
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very cool...
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Flanders!
Trad climber
June Lake, CA
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had to bring this thread back, because Tami is so cute
when she gets riled.
doug
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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I've heard that before.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jesus, protect me from your followers...
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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Judges 19
1And it came to pass in those days, when there was no king in Israel, that there was a certain Levite sojourning on the side of mount Ephraim, who took to him a concubine out of Bethlehemjudah.
2And his concubine played the whore against him, and went away from him unto her father's house to Bethlehemjudah, and was there four whole months.
3And her husband arose, and went after her, to speak friendly unto her, and to bring her again, having his servant with him, and a couple of asses: and she brought him into her father's house: and when the father of the damsel saw him, he rejoiced to meet him.
4And his father in law, the damsel's father, retained him; and he abode with him three days: so they did eat and drink, and lodged there.
5And it came to pass on the fourth day, when they arose early in the morning, that he rose up to depart: and the damsel's father said unto his son in law, Comfort thine heart with a morsel of bread, and afterward go your way.
6And they sat down, and did eat and drink both of them together: for the damsel's father had said unto the man, Be content, I pray thee, and tarry all night, and let thine heart be merry.
7And when the man rose up to depart, his father in law urged him: therefore he lodged there again.
8And he arose early in the morning on the fifth day to depart; and the damsel's father said, Comfort thine heart, I pray thee. And they tarried until afternoon, and they did eat both of them.
9And when the man rose up to depart, he, and his concubine, and his servant, his father in law, the damsel's father, said unto him, Behold, now the day draweth toward evening, I pray you tarry all night: behold, the day groweth to an end, lodge here, that thine heart may be merry; and to morrow get you early on your way, that thou mayest go home.
10But the man would not tarry that night, but he rose up and departed, and came over against Jebus, which is Jerusalem; and there were with him two asses saddled, his concubine also was with him.
11And when they were by Jebus, the day was far spent; and the servant said unto his master, Come, I pray thee, and let us turn in into this city of the Jebusites, and lodge in it.
12And his master said unto him, We will not turn aside hither into the city of a stranger, that is not of the children of Israel; we will pass over to Gibeah.
13And he said unto his servant, Come, and let us draw near to one of these places to lodge all night, in Gibeah, or in Ramah.
14And they passed on and went their way; and the sun went down upon them when they were by Gibeah, which belongeth to Benjamin.
15And they turned aside thither, to go in and to lodge in Gibeah: and when he went in, he sat him down in a street of the city: for there was no man that took them into his house to lodging.
16And, behold, there came an old man from his work out of the field at even, which was also of mount Ephraim; and he sojourned in Gibeah: but the men of the place were Benjamites.
17And when he had lifted up his eyes, he saw a wayfaring man in the street of the city: and the old man said, Whither goest thou? and whence comest thou?
18And he said unto him, We are passing from Bethlehemjudah toward the side of mount Ephraim; from thence am I: and I went to Bethlehemjudah, but I am now going to the house of the LORD; and there is no man that receiveth me to house.
19Yet there is both straw and provender for our asses; and there is bread and wine also for me, and for thy handmaid, and for the young man which is with thy servants: there is no want of any thing.
20And the old man said, Peace be with thee; howsoever let all thy wants lie upon me; only lodge not in the street.
21So he brought him into his house, and gave provender unto the asses: and they washed their feet, and did eat and drink.
22Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
23And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
24Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
25But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
26Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.
27And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.
28And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.
29And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
30And it was so, that all that saw it said, There was no such deed done nor seen from the day that the children of Israel came up out of the land of Egypt unto this day: consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds.
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