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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 08:23pm PT
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"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind."
Mohandas Karamchand ("Mahatma") Gandhi
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 08:30pm PT
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Good one Skippy your desperation has left you nothing but the need to quote Arabs and leftist, liberal, socialist Democrats. You must be so proud of yourself.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 08:34pm PT
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"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind."
Sorry, but as noble as that sounds, it just doesn't hold water. In fact, it's foolishly naive. This is where all the non-Christian Jesus lovers are wrong. Jesus whould give the dude a chance, but to defend children and civis, he'd probably swing a bat or pull a trigger.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 08:38pm PT
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"Gandhi was killed by a radial Muslim.
-Pretty much self explanatory"
Come on Skipper quit being such a racist tool. We already corrected you on this. Gandhi was killed by a radical Hindu zealot angry about concessions to the Islamist.
Please quit perpetrating lies no matter how conveniently you think they fit your misguided efforts. It only makes you seem ignorant, childish and foolish.
Oh Radical you poor misguided dupe. Did you miss my explanation about the Gazan rockets having about a 5 mile range and about five pounds of explosives? The mexico to US scenario just doesn't wash. Or the part that 2000 rocket attacks only killed one Israeli? And to call the Palestinians, traditionally the most highly and widely educated population in the Arab world, stupid is an affront and a clear indication of your racism and hatred. I pity you.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 08:56pm PT
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Here is a nice touch for all you Arab haters out there who want to say "why don't the Palestinians allow their wounded to get medical help" Well Israeli news agencies are reporting that actually it is the Israelis who won't let wounded Palestinians get to emergency medical care. They are dying waiting for permission. What glorious humanitarians the Israelis are.
Winds are a blowin' the times they are a changin'.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 29, 2008 - 08:57pm PT
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Or the part that 2000 rocket attacks only killed one Israeli?
They killed three more today.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 08:59pm PT
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Riley, I usually disagree with you, but damn....you're making my point for me. Nice to see that a good liberal like yourself can still evaluate a situation and make good judgements.
Israel should use as much restraint 'as reasonably possible'. In other words, limit civi damage. That may mean ground invasion.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 09:06pm PT
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Wow TGT 3 more really. That's 100 to 1 great odds if you are the house.
And Blue you are an idiot. A ground invasion means massive civilian casualties. No reasonable restraint there. Only scores more dead non combatants. You know women and children. Gaza is a crowded civilian area.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 09:12pm PT
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Radical have you paid any attention? About the daily violence and brutality perpetrated on the Palestinians by their illegal occupiers. About the lack of other means to resist occupation. Which is their legal right. About anything besides the myths you cling to?
If the Palestinians have survived the brutal onslaught of the IDF time and time again and yet they still fight back and resist. That shouldn't tell you that they are stupid but rather that they have a legitimate cause.
What exactly would you do in their shoes?
And for the record my wife is a Palestinians of a currently and historicaly significant family.
They are also Naqba survivors. Lots of family still over there. So you see I do have a deep interest in this conflict and vast knowledge base about it. OK with you?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 09:17pm PT
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Skippy don't you mean "learn to lie along"?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 09:20pm PT
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I also don't believe that Israel/Palestine has created that many, if any at all terrorists.
Arabs, Persians, Al Qaeda, etc have a well documented history of not giving a sh#t about Palestinians. They have only just recently started using it as a political tool.
I wonder, how much of the billions and billions of dollars of middle eastern oil money do the other Muslim states donates to aid the Palestinians? - Radical
This is another whopper of Zionist propaganda. Learn the truth.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Dec 29, 2008 - 09:21pm PT
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What an inflammatory thread to appear at the top of a goddamm climbing forum page. Sure, I'm bumping it now, but it's been up here a long while and nothing new is being said, yet the message of the title is just hanging out there, despite the fact that it is a revolting affront to reality.
"Who is it that can make your little armies of the left, and your little armies of the right, light up the sky, tonight?"
Shutting down whoever's supplying those mortar rounds is the only thing that will have any effect, btw.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 09:24pm PT
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And Radical why didn't you ask Skipt why he is so fired up about this. How many family members does he have in harm's way do you suppose?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 09:53pm PT
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Skip whereas I appreciate the sentiment you have NO idea how I have spent my time. Just for giggles why don't you try and get a phone call through to any of the occupied territories tonight. Don't mind trying Gaza at all.
None of the "Blame" as you call it that I have leveled at Israel is unfounded. It is all well documented and verifiable.
My true concern is for Peace, Justice and liberty for everyone on both sides of the conflict. NO MORE KILLING!
I hope that is clear.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Dec 29, 2008 - 09:55pm PT
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The Palestinians voted Hamas in. The Palestinian majority approve the policies of Hamas. The Palestinians approve of martyrdom for their cause, including raising their children to be terrorists. It seems reasonable for Israel to plow through and martyr as many as possible.
Philo, spare me the whining about civilian casualties. They support Hamas so they should be happy to become martyrs for the cause. Keep martyring them until they decide they've had enough and choke on their martyring. Lots of Palestinians are raising their children to be martyrs. Okay. Why complain when it happens. Oh, I see; it's too early. They haven't had the opportunity to blow up an Israeli restaurant or school yet. What the hell, they just get to go to Allah a little early. Too bad about the little boys, though. Now, what the devil will those little guys be able to do with forty virgins? On the other hand, the little girls will meet up with Mohammad and all the bearded old boys. And, they know what to do with little girls. But, once the old guys train the little girls, the little girls can take care of the little boys. So, we now have a lot of happy little Martyrs in Muslim heaven doing a different kind of banging.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 29, 2008 - 10:09pm PT
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Two completely different contrasting posts above.
Riley from the heart and Woody so dry and heartless.
Woody that's just plain mean.
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Dec 29, 2008 - 10:13pm PT
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being nice wont solve problems with militant terrorist groups. no one like meanies, and few people aspire to meanness, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 10:17pm PT
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Woody how pathetically droll and insensitive can you be.
You see Skip (et al) I cannot sit back while some of you debase and denigrate the Palestinians and condemn them to the illegal act of collective punishment. Or worse call for their wholesale slaughter without the slightest shread of an attempt to wonder why they fight back. To do anything less would be tantamount to abandoning and betraying my family. Which by the way includes many Jewish members.
And thank you Riley much appreciated.
And yes I have a great many family members there. Most of them are Christian Arabs and not one of them is a terrorist.
So for the rest of you who don't like what I post on these politically charged thread climbing stories.
Here this will make it easy.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=747131
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=730016
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Mugley
Trad climber
Newark, N.J.
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Dec 29, 2008 - 10:40pm PT
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Hey, among all this carnage----let's not forget our real enemies !
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