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the Fet
Trad climber
Loomis, CA
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Dingus you are extrapolating a lot from what I wrote. Re-read and take note of the many qualifiers I put in.
Edits: the guidebook only lists the name, not how they came up with it.
When you take *some* responsiblity for problems that are due mostly to external factors, you can effect a change, when you assign blame completely outside yourself you leave yourself powerless.
The name Wings of Steel sounds like a rivet ladder to me.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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I always thought it was either a riff on, or a misqoute from, a cartoon tagline from Fearless Fly™
"Your bullets cannot hurt me! My Wings are like a Shield of Steel.."
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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"And those that tore your ropes down and sh&& on them will get theirs."
WHOA!
did that realy happen?
harsh tokes dude!
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John F. Kerry
Social climber
Boston, MA
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Lambone sez "WHOA! did that realy happen?
Dude, your just now learning about this facet of the WoS saga?
Here's another whopper for you: it involves a route on a big cliff called EL CAPITAN, which is in YOSEMITE.
LOL, not really diggin' on ya', just thought your post was ironically funny.
Maybe the Deuce can explain to us why the rope-crapping was justified after all...
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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John F. Kerry,
I think I read this entire thread (which takes way to long to load now), and up until that post I don't think anyone mentioned shitting on ropes.
It makes me laugh, but that does really suck, now I feel kinda bad for those guys.
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Darnell
Big Wall climber
Chicago
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meanwhile, back at the ranch............
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WBraun
climber
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Please post on the new thread Wings of Steel (continued). This thread takes far to long to load now, especially for the dialup folks.
Thank you ....
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 25, 2007 - 10:31pm PT
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I realize I may be out of protocol posting here given the age of this thread, but, f*#k it. Given the number of posts made here regarding the character or lack thereof about the Wings of Steel boys by people who don’t know a damn thing about either of them I feel compelled to respond as someone who actually did. As a student of Mark Smith’s for several years I can attest to his energy and enthusiasm as a teacher, his commitment and compassion toward his students, and his witty, subtle sense of humor - which likely WOULD be considered uninteresting by the smug, self-righteous knuckleheads on this forum who see fit to speculate on matters and on people they know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Dec 25, 2007 - 10:53pm PT
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Da_Dweeb,
Welcome to the forum.
Looks like you skipped my posts, or perhaps ought to read the extension noted by Werner Braun.
No matter;
The world needs good teachers, so your dispatch noting Mark Smith's good deeds is heartening.
Merry Christmas & Happy Climbing!
Roy
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Dec 25, 2007 - 11:39pm PT
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Since I didn't bump this to the front, I'll add this:
Jesus just did the second ascent (FWA) of this "legendary" climb on his birthday today solo--word on the street is that he down graded it.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Dec 26, 2007 - 03:33am PT
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Jesus is a spray lord. He's just lookin' for more attention on his birthday.
That is all.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 26, 2007 - 02:56pm PT
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re: "which likely WOULD be considered uninteresting by the smug, self-righteous knuckleheads on this forum who see fit to speculate on matters and on people they know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT."
hey dweeb-
what were you expecting to find on the internet?
=)
edit-
oh and randy, why doesn't that damn hippie just stick to the simple but brilliant guilt tripping that has been so successful for him over the last couple of eons? i'm just sayin...
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Dec 26, 2007 - 03:35pm PT
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This thread started before the forum could divide threads into multiple pages.
So new topics were started when this thread got too big, Wings of Steel Part III, IV, etc.
I'd read all of them if you are interested (and a masochist).
A lot of people came to the conclusion that WoS was mainly a question of style, not ethics. But some still don't get it.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dec 26, 2007 - 03:47pm PT
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I bet "JIMB" is knott so proud of the asinine statement he made about Todd Skinner 2 years ago...
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Dec 26, 2007 - 03:48pm PT
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Matt - hahaha Nice! Either way, he's got a hand out and is in your pockets.... *grimmace*
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 26, 2007 - 05:42pm PT
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HK- who says rapping isn't bold...
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Dec 26, 2007 - 07:47pm PT
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HK,
are you saying we have to take into account that someone might be dead in two years before we make a remark about them?
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 26, 2007 - 11:47pm PT
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I'm with Da Dweeb, on this one.
After meeting both FAists, Mark and Richard, and being up a tiny bit on their route, my conclusion is they got a bad rap for doing their route.
The last I'd heard, it still hasn't seen a second ascent, which says something about how severe it is.
WOS will probably remain one of the hardest lines on El Cap for a long time.
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