Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
|
|
|
Jan 26, 2009 - 04:54am PT
|
Good reads, MH. While I agree particularly with the first article on the corruption of the meaning of "liberal," I disagree with its timing. For those of us who remember the 1964 election, "liberal" had largely the same meaning in the popular press that it does now.
Still, as a "conservative liberal" in the sense of the first article, it's refreshing to see the term "liberal" used in its appropriate, non-pejorative sense.
I also like granite climber's quote: "American conservatism has always had the problem of being misnamed. It is, at root, the political twin to classical European liberalism, a freedoms-based belief in limiting the power of government to intrude on the liberties of the people. It is the opposite of European conservatism (which Winston Churchill referred to as reverence for king and church); it is rather the heir to John Locke and James Madison, and a belief that the people should be the masters of their government, not the reverse (a concept largely turned on its head by the George W. Bush presidency)."
While I find the last parenthetical an exageration for most of Bush II's presidency, I can't say the same for the last Republican congress. Most of the policies enacted then were "Let's spend the taxpayers' dollars to buy votes. Let's solve the crime problem by making it illegaler. Let's promote life by telling people they can't decide to stop artificiallly keeping soemone alive," sorts of solutions. In other words, the sorts of governmental intrusion that people who love freedom should resist.
Maybe our real problem really is the nomenclature we've tolerated. After all, how did we let people who want to return to the sorts of intrusive governmental actions and limitations on private activity prevalent in ancient times be called "progressive?"
John
|
|
apogee
climber
|
|
During the campaign, the D's had a very qualified, and progressive female candidate. How did the R's respond?
(OK, maybe that's not exactly how they responded...)
Then, as the race progressed, a highly qualified black man became the candidate. How did the R's respond?
http://www.gop.com/BLOG/Read.aspx?GUID=3d349db6-fa18-485b-815c-07e22de29fd2
Can't you guys ever come up with an original idea?
|
|
Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
|
|
|
Feb 10, 2009 - 07:26pm PT
|
JPT,
Was your intent to shoot any credibility you might muster in the foot?
If "conservatism" is simply punishing those who might be centrist, then you merely confirmed what the left has known all along: they're just a bunch of zealots.
|
|
just passing thru
climber
|
|
|
Feb 10, 2009 - 07:33pm PT
|
Fat Dad:
How do you feel about Lieberman supporting McCain in 08?
Would you support Lieberman's re-election bid?
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2009 - 07:48pm PT
|
Arlen Specter has always been a RINO. Snow, yeah, RINO. Collins surprised me. Didn't she say she'd not vote for it if it went over 800 billion?
|
|
apogee
climber
|
|
|
Mar 26, 2009 - 11:36pm PT
|
bump to allow the 'Is it too early to..' thread die, and to give those repugs who don't wanna play the Droid thread a place to go.
|
|
apogee
climber
|
|
|
Nov 14, 2009 - 09:34pm PT
|
Uh-huh. Yep.
Just put that little piece of evidence on the very large pile that has already accumulated.
|
|
Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
|
|
|
Nov 14, 2009 - 10:05pm PT
|
restoring Conservatism (ot) - I'm afraid the prognosis is grim...
gonna have to amputate....
or move the whole lot of'em to an island!
|
|
Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
|
|
|
Nov 14, 2009 - 10:22pm PT
|
or, wait.. maybe we can give the republican leadership about 3 meters of a good quality rope...
(but will they know what to do with it?)
(I'm pretty sure the rope would be brought up on charges and rendered out of the country for more of the completely legal (at least for the bush-bots) water boarding)
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
|
Haha!
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 5, 2008 - 06:39pm PT
"Well, my fellow conservatives, we've just been handed a mandate for 'change'. It's begging for more of a return to classic conservative principles. Financial responsibility, smaller gov't, strong military, and a focus on U.S. national needs (less of a global interventionist).
The last one is debatable for me, the others are musts."
I won't say "I told ya so", but look where we are now...Keep going this direction, or try some conservative policy?
|
|
TFPU
Sport climber
Idaho
|
|
Thank god supertopo has such a political sage as yourself.
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
"Financial responsibility, smaller gov't, strong military, and a focus on U.S. national needs (less of a global interventionist)."
And yer thinkin' Rmoney somehow represents these traits?
Man, you sure are gullible.
|
|
darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
|
|
In Plato's "allegory of the cave", the prisoners mistake the shadows on the wall for reality. They're never exposed to "real things", only shadows, so they don't really understand what the 'real world' is like, but they think they do, because it's all they've ever known.
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 04:06pm PT
|
And yer thinkin' Rmoney somehow represents these traits?
It would be a change in the "right" direction. Especially if we get a more responsible Congress that can reduce spending, pass sound budgets, and work on reducing the deficit instead of growing it.
And jobs figures suck. We need to focus on changing that too. Long-term.
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
7.8%, bay-bee...slidin' under the wire just in time for the election....
Rmoney's 'October Surprise'!
Edit:
"a more responsible Congress that can reduce spending, pass sound budgets, and work on reducing the deficit instead of growing it."
Please refer to my earlier 'gullibility' comment.
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 04:15pm PT
|
7.8%, bay-bee...slidin' under the wire just in time for the election....
Timing is unusually convenient, isn't it? Gullibility? Yes, most Obama-bots will buy that.
"Look, see, it is getting better!"
We are headed for bad times, bro. We really need to change direction to stop the bleeding.
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
Damn right. Keeping the Republicans out of power is the first step towards a better future.
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
|
Yeah, you're right. That's worked real well....
|
|
TFPU
Sport climber
Idaho
|
|
Blue I would like to hear how you suggest we fix thinkgs. Let's assume you get your wish and congress is all conservitives and so is the white house. what are some good policies to follow to ensure we go in a different direction and stop the bleeding?
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!