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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Why should High DJ care what you think Lois?
He already knows he's wasting his time posting at you, and you know it too!
Personally, when a number of people are critical of me, I pay attention and try to see things from their perspective.
But that's just me and I might conclude their common agenda (or my role when I was more "boss like") was to blame.
But I care.
Peace
karl
edit: apogee, Lois is like an ADHD kid. If we don't keep her busy on this thread, she'll go loisify other threads. I hear she has a few days to kill
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Omot
Trad climber
The here and now
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Intrade gives 7.7% chance of Palin getting the GOP nomination in 2012. That's way higher than I would expect, although 2012 is a long way away.
LEB, many on this forum join discussions to learn something, trade knowledge, or get a bit more insight into life's persistent questions (credit to Guy Noir). MH is giving you his opinion, and it is credible, worth listening too.
Signing off,
Tomo
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Actually your Rove kit seems to be well in place. Make personal attacks on those who disagree with you and then dismiss then as "not worth listening to" while ignoring any actual information that they share to back up their statements. That pretty much covers the bases.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Take that DJ, LEB isn't reading your posts anymore, so she's understanding them 10% less now!
;-)
k
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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It hurts on the inside :-(
(LEB my current crop of nursing instructors are fantastic and luckily display an interest in information that you seem to lack. You are a surrogate for noone. I respond to your posts.)
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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LEB, I am not hostile to you. If you wish to make such allegations, please provide evidence.
Do not confuse my strong opposition to the political party and candidates you support, or my criticism of your political beliefs and your unwillingness to critically examine them, with hostility.
We've both been around here long enough that the SuperTopo kangaroo court can come to its own conclusions about this.
Karl is right - you need to come to the FaceLift next year. September 23 - 27, 2009. It would do a lot for your credibility here, and we won't insist that you climb, although that will be an option.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 05:18pm PT
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Andrew Sullivan on why the conversations about Palin should not end.
"Let's be real in a way the national media seems incapable of: this person should never have been placed on a national ticket in a mature democracy. She was incapable of running a town in Alaska competently. The impulsive, unvetted selection of a total unknown, with no knowledge of or interest in the wider world, as a replacement president remains one of the most disturbing events in modern American history. That the press felt required to maintain a facade of normalcy for two months - and not to declare the whole thing a farce from start to finish - is a sign of their total loss of nerve. That the Palin absurdity should follow the two-term presidency of another individual utterly out of his depth in national government is particularly troubling. 46 percent of Americans voted for the possibility of this blank slate as president because she somehow echoed their own sense of religious or cultural "identity". Until we figure out how this happened, we will not be able to prevent it from happening again. And we have to find a way to prevent this from recurring."
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and,
"It is excruciating to watch her - but more excruciating to watch those who feel obliged to defend her."
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/why-palin-still.html
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Nov 13, 2008 - 05:25pm PT
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Well put, Andrew Sullivan.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 05:26pm PT
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I'd say Senator, especially compared to being Governor of Alaska. Alaska is a pretty quirky state and not much like other states.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 13, 2008 - 05:36pm PT
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"Why would it matter to me what your opinion (or the opinion of your left-leaning buddies) was (were).
The reason that you should care is because eventually the other side comes into power and if you have blown them off as the republicans have, then they tend to want to blow you off. Thankfully more and more Dems are realizing that in the long run this does not work, so hopefully they will work with the Republicans to find a better future for everyone.
"I think you are right but would it matter what state we were talking about"
Yes it matters. As gov of alaska she gets all of her tax money from oil revenue thus she doesn't have to deal with issues of raising money to accomplish the things that the people want government to accomplish and therefore has no experience with this.
Edit: Do you really want to live in a world where no one cares what anyone else thinks? That sounds very sucky to me. Go camping and the neighbor wants to play heavy metal all day. Should they care how you feel if they are within the law?
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 05:38pm PT
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I dunno Lois, I guess it depends on the state. But as far as being a better predictor of success as President or ability to get elected in the first place, Clinton and Carter were guvs of relatively small states and W and Reagan were guvs of large states. I'll leave it to you to judge how they did.
Being a Senator probably is better prep because they are forced to dabble in national interests and foreign policy, which guvs rarely tackle (except Palin keeping an eye on Putin for us--thanks Sarah!) but LBJ was our last senator elected before 2008 so there might be good reasons why they don't get elected often.
I guess this is a long way of saying that even if we would expect to see some kind of pattern, I sure don't see it, at least from recent elections.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 05:55pm PT
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FWIW, the Africa comment has proven to be bunk.
There is, though, plenty of other stuff in which she shows in her own words her lack of knowledge.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 06:14pm PT
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Sorry, I have more expectations for someone running for Veep than merely hoping she will gain the intellectual curiosity, knowledege and world view necessary for the world's most important job while in office. Nothing in her previous experience, notably her book banning episode and weird religion, suggested she would or could do that.
I'm glad we will in all likelihood never find out. We dodged a bullet.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 13, 2008 - 06:52pm PT
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Lois, you're wrong.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/51821.html
The e-mail list of "actual" books (beware of anything circulated by e-mail!) was bogus but she did inquire about it with the librarian and the local newspaper at the time reported it.
So she did try to ban books.
"Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor. "
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
There's actually a lot more out there on the topic too.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Nov 13, 2008 - 07:01pm PT
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"Still I do believe Palin will play a role in the GOP."
Oh Gawd, I hope so! (is this an early xmas present?).
Nail the coffin on that pile of 19th century losers for good.
I don't even want my two front teeth.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2008 - 07:18pm PT
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"Let's be real in a way the national media seems incapable of: this person should never have been placed on a national ticket in a mature democracy. She was incapable of running a town in Alaska competently. The impulsive, unvetted selection of a total unknown, with no knowledge of or interest in the wider world, as a replacement president remains one of the most disturbing events in modern American history. That the press felt required to maintain a facade of normalcy for two months - and not to declare the whole thing a farce from start to finish - is a sign of their total loss of nerve. That the Palin absurdity should follow the two-term presidency of another individual utterly out of his depth in national government is particularly troubling. 46 percent of Americans voted for the possibility of this blank slate as president because she somehow echoed their own sense of religious or cultural "identity". Until we figure out how this happened, we will not be able to prevent it from happening again. And we have to find a way to prevent this from recurring."
IMO, this is an especially plain and penetrating appraisal of a national embarassment. To most of us looking on, it is confounding that seemingly intelligent folk can pationately defend someone so unprepared and unqualified to assume the second highest office on earth. The question is: how can this (defense of Palin) possibly happen? It surely comes down to the fact that, ". . . she somehow echoed their own sense of religious or cultural 'identity.'" Meaning the defenders were not looking for a genuine leader, per se, but someone they could "like."
Granted, a modern president must also be a populist to some extent; but if he or she must also perfectly mirror the key aspects of your own religious and cultural identity, and if these emotional components are believed to comprise the very stuff of an effective and respected leader, then the result will likely be a "Palin debacle" every time.
JL
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Nov 13, 2008 - 07:24pm PT
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"My guess is that we have not seen the end of her..."
My guess is that you are probably right, Lois. I expect her to turn up on Dancing With The Stars in the near future. Hey, if she can't dance, they can always teach her.
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