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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Hi Karl, like I said before it works....and for anyone that follows the words. Nice thing about it, it only leads to better. Of course, I screw up but being a jesus follower he gets me back on the right course.
It encourages me to care about others.
To forgive myself and others
To stay the course of life
To work on healthy priorites
To not let any roots of bitterness grow
To not have fear (one of my biggest challenges)
To avoid making things a priority in my life.
Healthy perspectives
and lots more
Lynnie, is a weak sister, on her own she would be a mess. jesus isn't a crutch, he's a chauffeur driven limo. hehehe
oops! Maybe I should say 4 wheel drive jeep.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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"Of course I don’t expect many of you will have the courage to truly look into the “perfect law of liberty.” My experience is that those who pose questions really don’t want to look truthfully into the Jesus or the Bible, but I do hope I’m wrong. It’s way easier just to bag on Christians without any real ammo! (-; "
Er...yeah. Something like that. I guess it's just as easy to be passive aggressive than make an actual point.
I'm with Karl and Lynne. As I said in an early post, "facts" have nothing to do with religion or belief so who cares. The best parts of the Bible or any religious text speak to things for which the only evidence is human experience. Historical record makes no difference if you're talking about being kind, being good to your neighbors and forgiveness in all things. The conflict comes when allegory is insistently made into historical record. Whether there was a talking snake or not is irrelevant...it's what we can learn from the story that is important.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Karl wrote,
"It's not what you think or believe.
It's what you are and how you are that counts."
Actually, how you are is an indicator of what you really believe. You may consciously believe that fighting is bad, but then fight. This would indicate to you that in your subconscious is the belief that fighting is okay or is productive. So one can then use their actions to help them understand what is in their subconscious, then if one wants to change, one can use that as a guide as to whether change is really occurring.
Jesus said to put on the mind of Christ and leave off the carnal mind/ego. It is the ego that leads us astray. The way to tell if you still have ego is to watch your reactions and actions.
Peace Love and Joy are Christ emotions. Anger, fear, pride, lust and greed are ego emotions.
Your beliefs create your thoughts,
your thoughts create your emotions,
your emotions give impetus towards action.
So if you feel anger, then that is a sign that you are still controlled by your ego/carnal mind and you need to work on that.
Example, A certain person here on the forum pisses me off seemingly to no end. This is an indicator to me that I still have ego and that I need to work on it if I don't want to experience anger,fear ect. All is consciousness and it is our consciousness that creates our experience. If I want a better experience, then I have to change MY consciousness, not this persons consciousness. This is what it means to take the beam from my own eye before I attempt to take the speck from someone else. Clear the ego out and then you can see with the Christ mind. I figure I have some more work. haha..
Laughing at ones own ego reactions is one way to send the ego packing. This only works if one is laughing at ones own ego. It doesn't work to laugh at someone else's ego unless you are laughing with them.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Langue D`amour
-Laurie Anderson
Let's see. Uh, it was on an island. And there was this snake.
And the snake had legs. And he could walk all around the island.
Yes. That's true. A snake with legs.
And the man and the woman were on the island too.
And they were not very smart.
But they were happy as clams. Yes.
Let's see. Uh...then one evening the snake was walking about
in the garden and he was talking to himself and he saw the woman
and they started to talk. And they became friends.
Very good friends.
And the woman liked the snake very much. Because when he
talked, he make little noises with his tongue, and his long tongue was lightly licking about his lips.
Like there was a fire inside his mouth and the flame
would come dancing out of his mouth.
And this woman liked this very much.
And after that, she was bored with the man.
Because no matter what happened, he was always as happy as a clam.
What did the snake say? Yes! What was he saying?
OK. I will tell you.
The snake told her things about the world. He told her about
the time there was a big typhoon on the island
and all the sharks came out of the water. Yes.
They came out of the water and they walked right into your house
with their big white teeth.
And the woman heard these things. And she was in love.
And the man came out and said: We have to go now!
And the woman did not want to go. Because she was a hothead.
Because she was a woman in love.
Anyway, we got into their boat and left the island.
But they never stayed anywhere very long.
Because the woman was restless. She was a hothead.
She was a woman in love.
And this is not a story people tell.
It is something I know myself.
And when I do my job, I am thinking about these things.
Because when I do my job, that is what I think about....
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Moosie, very well written. You know ego kept me from loving, living, learning and commitment for quite awhile. Still can be a problem if I don't think about things before I speak or do. Better for me if I don't react, but take a while and respond thoughtfully...
but all of us get that blind left hook to the temple every once in awhile, and the reflexes are all about right back atcha and double, that's where my man jesus comes in, my guy in the corner of the ring telling me to cool it and fight the good fight, not the dirty fight.
cintune, I'm gonna have to think about that one......for awhile
Joy and Peace today, lrl
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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"I believe the whole bible is among other things an instruction manual for life. I liken it to the DVD for our very complex auto. I don't understand alot of it but I guess I trust the manufaturer knows about his product so I keep after it til I understand it or someone explains it to me. Some parts I simply don't get. But I don't throw it out because of that."
Thanks for the explanation. It makes more sense to me now.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Yikes what fun this is.
I think Karl said it best.
I'm with Lynne when she says the Bible is an instruction manual. That is a good thing, as a sometimes scientist I have to disagree with using it as historical, scientific proof, of anything.
I disagree with the people who say that science is dismissable because it can't be proved but you're an idiot if you don't take blight's opinion on faith. Has he ever looked into anything? He
won't say, nor will he answer a direct question.
I'm with Lynne's, 'make use of the positive' approach. Blight's fire and brimstone condescention is something else; any time he would like to elaborate he has the floor.
Werner how do you stand with Shiva? There is a lot there to look into, it seems to me.
"For the second, almost all the top five mass murderers of all time were atheists. "
We're leaving Popes, Hitler, and the spanish inquisition, etc out of this? Why?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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graniteclimber, I know tongue in check sarcasm when I hear it...I was taught by the best on, of course, Supertopo ! haha, hey blondie's getting a tad bit smarter.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Well, Jaybro, at least we are enjoying conversing. What's with all the animosity up above a few posts ago? Gezzz, you can't curse, swear and beat someone to death and then wonder why they don't seriously consider your take on life.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Lynne, I did not try to be sarcastic. I was serious. I thought that you were stating that the rest of the Bible offered clear instructions on how to make the Gospels work (that you understood and could explain to us). This did not make sense to me because I find the Old Testament contradictory in places to the Gospels.
Instead you were thinking of the Bible as a technical instruction manual which you have trouble understanding. That is not what I understood you to say originally, but it makes a lot more sense to me.
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Ouch!
climber
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I'm starting a new religion. Ain't gonna be handling poison snakes.
Gonna be handling something sweeter and more holy.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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ooooooh
I want to be a twinkie preacher. How do I learn? Does it cost a lot?
Please please please teach me.
Do I get to eat them when I am done preaching?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Thanks granite, I thought you were pulling my leg. Hey there are several GOOD things happening here.
1) We are working through our communication problems instead of letting them cause conflict.
2) We are finding common ground that we can talk about and some consensus.
3) We are not berating and belittling one another.
Maybe we're the ones that should be running the government. hehe
But granite, question. You said that the old testament has problems with the gospels....if you have the time, could you give me one example that I can think about? Thanks, Lynne
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Ouch, nice rug on the dude ! snakes over twinkies......
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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" You said that the old testament has problems with the gospels....if you have the time, could you give me one example that I can think about?"
Parts of the Old Testament permit slavery and tells us to take an "eye for an eye," a "tooth for a tooth" and a life for a life. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus tells us not to follow these old rules.
Have you ever seen the "open letter to Dr. Laura." It raises other problems with relying on the Old Testament. http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html
Lynne, from reading what you've written I think that Karl is correct in saying that you are following the truth that is in your heart, not just following some old text blindly.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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What I find more ironic is that modern-day Biblical literalists still find ways to sneak out of a lot of it. Jody has said on this forum that certain excerpts were "meant for shepherds" while other seemingly archaic sections are still apropos.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Just a thought, then get back to main topics.... being a jesus follower does not mean you nail life or you NAIL right or right way of living (definition of righteousness). It's always a work in progress, to me.
Gee, I'll be having a great day and then this thought or idea or I'll do something that is so out there, will occur...and I'll think WHERE did that come from....then I say hey jesus, gonna need you to help me process this.
Gotta get rid of this junk. jesus is my junk processor, sometimes it takes a WHILE, but he always comes through for me.
Just lately was obsessing on stuff you guys would wonder why I was even concerned about. But I knew in my heart and mind it wasn't right for lynne. So we been working at it...and so glad I follow him cause the junk I don't like is being shredded in the shredder. YAH ! We be free from stuff that is not right.
Relief, freedom, joy and peace...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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granite, I will be thinking about your post...it takes me awhile to process stuff and think about it, sorry, wheels are not as quick as some (which is ok by me, "I yam who I yam"... )smiles, Lynne
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Praise the Holy Twinkie, praise it with great praise!
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drgonzo
Trad climber
east bay, CA
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Twinkies--more poisonous than snakes...
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