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chainsaw
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Mar 13, 2018 - 10:36pm PT
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In rock and roll, the Ladies rule. Check out Stevie Nicks doin Sara in 1979 or Rehanna in 1976 live. That woman is my hero. She fricken rocks with grace, power and fury. She never took her clothes off like Madonna, Cher, Hanna Montana or so many other desperate female icons. Stevie Nicks didnt have to. She is incredibly powerful in ways no man ever could be. Most folks dont know that Stevie actually wrote Fleetwood Macs most popular songs. It makes me sad that so many modern women think that trying to become like men will empower them. Stevie Nicks embodies feminine goddess power like no other artist. That is part of what I like about Di Patterson and June and Jean. They are fricken badass and powerful and unleashed. Yet they are feminine and beautiful and have alot of love for men. I think that true feminism embraces the beauty, grace, power, sanctity, strength, glory, responsibility, pain and dignity of being a woman. Its not about becoming a man. Why would a woman, stronger, wiser and infinitely more desirable than man want to yield her power to become a mere male?
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Jim Clipper
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from: forests to tree farms
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2018 - 10:42pm PT
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Because they're free to do whatever the f*#k they want.
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chainsaw
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CA
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Mar 13, 2018 - 10:56pm PT
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Had the pleasure of working with Bonnie Raitt at the Headwaters Forest Protest in Scotia California. 9000 people staged one of the Nations largest mass arrests in history. The cops ran out of plastic cuffs. Our non violent direct action went on all summer. Back at the legislators office in Eureka, the Humbolt County Sheriff and his buddies were pepper spraying our friends in the eyes. The video released to the public was edited as part of the settlement with EPIC, our legal arm of Earth First. The original video which was not released I got to see, being an organizer. The cops boarded up the office windows with plywood so noone protesting outside could see what they were doing. Then the abuse started. The HC sheriff deputy was clearly sexually arroused by the suffering of his victim as he sprayed her with pepper spray and rubbed it in her eyes with q tips while rubbing her face against his groin. It was decided in the settlement process that if the public saw what he had done the cop would have probably been killed by somebody.
We were in a terrible battle to wrestle the Headwaters Forest away from Junkbond king Charles Hurwitz who had bought Pacific Lumber. He didnt have the money to buy the company. He illegally leveraged the company by buying it with money he borrowed against their own assets. He liquidated the loggers pensions and started chopping despite six injunctions in Federal court forbidding it. So we blocked their access to the forest. We put our bodies between the dozers and the trees. Some people sat in cars on their roads. Organizers would pour rebar loops into concrete on the road. Then the sitters would drive up in a car with holes cut in the floor. Next they would remove the wheels and drop the car on the ground, handcuffing themselves to the rebar through the floor. The car could not be moved. But the engine ran so the could run the heater and listen to the radio or flash the lights to signal other protesters when they were being assulted by cops.
I was privileged to work with Judy Bery and Daryl Cherny. I met her after the Feds planted a bomb in her car and blew her up. She and Daryl survived. I watched over Judy's kids while she crossed the line to be handcuffed. This 5'1" gentle woman was one of the kindest and most powerful people I have ever met. To me she was like Ghandi. Judy died of colon cancer two years later. The US supreme court ruled that the federal authorities were responsible for her death and obstruction of justice and awarded the Bery estate $5,000,000 after her death. See "Who Bombed Judy Bery." That was a time when strong willed women taught non violence and put their own lives on the line for justice. I watched Bonnie sing "Make Me an Angel" a-capella with her dad and brother at Scotia. We backed two flatbed trucks into each other and covered them with plywood. The Clan Dyken's sound system and a generator and we were in business. My best friend Mike Gerell ran the board. It was the most beautiful a capella I ever heard. Bonnie was easygoing and very friendly. What a great lady!
We all salute the incredible victory of Julia Butterfly who lived more than a year in a tree to save it from Hurwitz. I watched the film as helicopter loggers tried to kill her by smashing big logs into her tree while she clung to life. When she came to whole Earth Festival as one of our speakers she was totally inspiring! For some reason, these incredible women like Judy, Bonnie and Julia were able to organize and mobilize thousands of people to fight for justice in ways noone ever had before. People risked their lives. I have pictures of hundreds of armed riot cops and CHP lined up to bash our skulls. And we did it without violence. These women inspired us to take a beating but not to break ranks at all cost. Not one assult was committed by any protestor that entire summer.
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chainsaw
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CA
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Mar 13, 2018 - 10:57pm PT
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Im also a big fan of "Pussy Riot"
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Tarbuster
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Mar 13, 2018 - 11:34pm PT
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Thanks for the stories! That's good stuff, chainsaw.
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Mar 14, 2018 - 12:01am PT
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Dude, nice Joan Armatrading posts! I added some stuff by edit to the headwaters story.
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Tarbuster
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Mar 14, 2018 - 12:21am PT
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Pepper spray, Q-tips, rebar, handcuffs, car bombs, more handcuffs, tree sitting under violent siege, and nonviolence: now that's full value, fully committed living!
I knew a woman who was a Weatherman activist, but those gutsy, risk-laden, over the top, violent experiences aren't my stories to tell, and she probably wouldn't either (and didn't).
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Tarbuster
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Mar 14, 2018 - 07:40pm PT
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7 to 12-year-old shred head fembots will clip yer bangs for ya, stat!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
 Just wait & see: someday one of these prodigies is going to tire of noodling around on the guitar, strap on a Pokémon chalk bag, and solo Free Rider.
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Tarbuster
climber
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Mar 14, 2018 - 09:22pm PT
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You know, zB, Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress by the Hollies has to be one of the top 10 examples of all time for how rock 'n roll should make a person feel.
plus, Plus, your riff on the Ms Raitt talking to Bass player Willie Dixon about Greg "pretty boy" All_man passage just cracked me up!
if he doesn't stop pissing me off, I'm gonna take a hike up to Bass Lake and hire some angels to beat the schitt out of him
[Click to View YouTube Video]
^^^
I like this stuff because it was catchy and slickly produced.
(So were Teen Beat magazine and Barbie Dolls, what's a listener to do ...)
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Tarbuster
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Mar 14, 2018 - 09:40pm PT
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LONG COOL WOMAN (In a Black Dress)
The Hollies
Saturday night I was downtown
Working for the FBI
Sittin' in a nest of bad men
Whiskey bottles piling high
Bootlegging boozer on the west side
Full of people who are doing wrong
Just about to call up the DA man
When I heard this woman sing a song
A pair of 45's made me open my eyes
My temperature started to rise
She was a long cool woman in a black dress
Just-a 5'9, beautiful, tall
With just one look I was a bad mess
'Cause that long cool woman had it all
[Instrumental Interlude]
I saw her heading to the table
Like a tall walking big black cat
When Charlie said I hope that you're able boy
'Cause I'm telling you she knows where it's at
Then suddenly we heard the sirens
And everybody started to run
A-jumping out of doors and tables
When I heard somebody shootin' a gun
Well the DA was pumping my left hand
And a-she was a-holding my right
Well I told her don't get scared
'Cause you're gonna be spared
I've gotta be forgivin' if I wanna spend my living
With a long cool woman in a black dress
Just a 5'9 beautiful tall
Yeah, with just one look I was a bad mess
'Cause that long cool woman had it all
Had it all
Had it all
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Tarbuster
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Mar 15, 2018 - 07:41am PT
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hahaha
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Mar 15, 2018 - 11:58am PT
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Roy, the Ruth Mendenhall book looks like a worthy read, for sure.
Katie wrote a pretty fair review, too, with some interesting quotes.
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Tarbuster
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Mar 15, 2018 - 12:42pm PT
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I think it goes deeper than that, mouse.
I was hoping something of this would've been reflected in some of the reviews, but I had this conversation with Steve Grossman about the book yesterday.
Apparently, before the war, and somewhat in contradiction to what you read in reviews of this book, it will describe this prewar era as a time when women were much more involved in the mountains and mountaineering. The apogee of that was Rosie the Riveter, who became an icon of women's empowerment, exemplified by their being swept from the kitchen and into the manufacturing effort during the war.
So, unless I misinterpreted what Steve had said, it's possible he was talking about the greater history of which he was already aware, but I believe this book will talk about how during the postwar era, women were somehow put back in their place, so to speak.
There is some sense in this if you just review in your head all the pictures you've seen historically, namely from the 20s and 30s, of women involved in mountain club stuff, prior to the introduction of belays & more aggressively roped and protected climbing, more in the sense of general mountaineering, such as in Bob Godfrey and Dudley Chelton's book: CLIMB, where you see in fact large groups of women, with and without men, all over the flanks of the Flatirons.
If you think of the Chautauqua movement, which I believe happened just after the turn-of-the-century, where people were encouraged to get into the mountains and the arts, the idea goes that women were much more involved in this, and that after World War II, all of that changed. And you know, the Chautauqua movement itself was somewhat, if not mostly dismantled, one of the remnants being the Chautauqua Park and dining hall above Boulder Colorado.
Eldorado Canyon used to have a ton more hardened infrastructure, conveyances (see: funicular) and a hotel on the side of the canyon, at one time people were much more encouraged to get into nature, notwithstanding with some creature comforts to help along the movement. As Kevin has said, climbing gyms are a much more amenable environment to many women in terms of their interest in climbing. And clearly more socially focused, as was the Chautauqua movement. Something to be said for this. I don't know if I need to dig it up, but I was watching a climbing video centered on women recently, and one of the women said one of the things she likes most about climbing is the social element, something which Kevin has also indicated before.
We are NOT talking: rope, rack, and the shirt on your back here.
And YES, many women like their creature comforts. My wife is way more amenable to a long day in the mountains if she can return home, versus sleeping on the ground or in a tent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chautauqua
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funicular
The cover of a 1917 promotional brochure:
I'll be excited to get this Ruth Dyer Mendenhall book and see if there's an explication of any of this, though I think it is more focused on the spare and sparse aspects of a woman doing technical climbing, with minimal means, and in the rough and wild, as indicated in the reviews.
I don't think it's necessarily going to refute what's been said in this thread. But it might open our eyes to the general proclivity of women to be involved in mountain activities, not necessarily technical climbing per se, and there may be some truth to this idea of a cultural renaissance in respect to the empowerment of women which reached its height during the war effort, from which our culture retreated.
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Tarbuster
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Mar 15, 2018 - 03:23pm PT
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Ha ha: and they're going to get it!
If Outside Online magazine's ad campaign has any sway, or is any kind of indicator:
So move over, Rover!
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Tarbuster
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Mar 15, 2018 - 03:48pm PT
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And after that fine announcement ...
Every guy needs a little Kim Gordon/Sonic Youth in his life ... part of the time:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I WANNA BE YOUR DOG
So messed up, I want you here
In my room, I want you here
Now we're gonna be face-to-face
And we lay right down in my favorite place
Now I wanna be your dog
Now I wanna be your dog
Now I wanna be your dog
Well, come on
Now I'm ready to close my eyes
But now I'm ready to close my mind
And now I'm ready to feel your hand
And lose my heart on the burning sand
Now I wanna be your dog
Now I wanna be your dog
Now I wanna be your dog
Well, come on
Songwriters: Kim Gordon / Lee M. Ranaldo / Thurston Joseph Moore
Freezer Burn / I Wanna Be Your Dog lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group
[Click to View YouTube Video]
BULL IN THE HEATHER
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty
Tell me that you want to hold me
Tell me that you want to bore me
Tell me that you gotta show me
Tell me that you need to slowly
Tell me that yr burning for me
Tell me that you can't afford me
Time to tell yr dirty story
Time f'are turning over and over
Time f'are turning four leaf clover
Betting on the bull in the heather
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty
Tell me that you want to scold me
Tell me that you a-dore me
Tell me that you're famous for me
Tell me that yr gonna score me
Tell me that you gotta show me
Tell me that you need to sorely
Time to tell yr love story
Time f'are turning over and over
Time f'are turning four leaf clover
Betting on the bull in the heather
Songwriters: Kim Gordon / Lee M. Ranaldo / Steven Jay Shelley / Thurston Joseph Moore
Bull in the Heather lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group
[Click to View YouTube Video]
DRUNKEN BUTTERFLY
Smile like a sun, back over time
Crazy for you, pleasure is mine
I love you, I love you, I love you, what's your name?
I love you, I love you, I love you, what's your name?
You're coming through, even it up
Going too far, try understand
I love you, I love you, I love you, what's your name?
I love you, I love you, I love you, what's your name?
Whisper, kiss your ear, I'll tell you what I fear
Whisper the kisses in your ear, I'll tell you what I fear
Come on home, just ain't fair
Name of rock 'n' roll, where love dies
Couldn't find a soul, tell it like it is
Deep down inside, drunken butterfly
I love you, I love you, I love you, what's your name?
I love you, I love you, I love you, what's your name?
I love you, I love you, I love you, what's your name?
I love you, I love you, I love you, what's your name?
Songwriters: Kim Gordon / Lee M. Ranaldo / Steven Jay Shelley / Thurston Joseph Moore
Drunken Butterfly lyrics © Universal Music Publishing Group
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
^^^
Now about two thirds through this interview (37 min.), and it's like augering into quicksand. Intentionally slack, and with far less effect than achieved in the music.
Probably going to read the Mendenhall book first and save the Kim Gordon Girl in a Band book, which is limply supported here, for never. Or maybe a little bit later than that.
That's probably part and parcel to the intended anti-commercialism affectation.
... And after finishing the 67 min. interview, well, asking an anarchic artist to give a structured interview is, you know, um ... I only have myself to blame.
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Heyzeus
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Hollywood,Ca
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Mar 15, 2018 - 04:32pm PT
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I Wanna Be Your Dog was written by The Stooges, not Sonic Youth.
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