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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:35pm PT
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DMT, I don’t debate cowards who never take a stand, never take a side. You’re one of the head whiners and complainers here. Uggh.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:38pm PT
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DMT - Do you know ANY man who would admit they have been pervy to women? Even when they are ARRESTED, they still deny. Ask the men here of Supertopo to come clean about harrassing, inappropriate sexual advances they have made to women over the years. You think there are none on this forum who haven't done things like that? I know better.
As well - I don't know a single person who has said Franken should get a pass. But for the record - I don't give him a pass. He's a creepster. Just like the dozens of creepsters I have personally come across in my own days on this earth.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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Dems can not afford to lose the seat, just the the Repubs and Moore. What DMT really wants is his own third party perv to root for.
The future of the country weighs in the balance, no time to wax eloquently about hypothetical ethics and morals.
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ExfifteenExfifteen
climber
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:44pm PT
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No way Franken should resign, we need his vote to cancel out the pedophile the Republicans are about to elect.
damnitalltoheck... Stupid is as stupid does.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 27, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
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Y’all seem more shook up over Franken’s couple of alleged butt grabs than Trump’s numerous alleged sexual assaults. Weird. Why’d ya roll over? I guess that’s what “non-partisans” do. Go along. Sadly, it appears that not apologizing pays off better than repeatedly apologizing.
Non-partisan = "I don't have a team. That way I get to complain and blame no matter what happens!"
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Nov 27, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
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Hmmm, probably. I cant seem to find the thread where guys here are admitting they have done things like brush against a woman's backside at a part and then smirk at her when she turns, had sex with a woman who has passed out after they plied her with more alcohol than she would usually had had or worse, put drugs in her drink, or even called some woman a bitch because instead of smiling meekly when he said "nice tits" as she walked past, she pretended she didn't hear the comment. Maybe someone will be man enough to come clean and start it.
Do you know ANY women who would admit they have been pervy to men? You know what? When we women get together, we do sometimes talk about the guys we have come across who we thought were hot, or maybe we even hooked up with them. We can be pretty graphic. But out of all the stories I have heard, I can't recall even one instance where one of these women did something like cornering a guy at a party and even though he was clearly not into her, rubbed her hand on his crotch. Or cat-called a guy walking down the street with lewd words as she slowly drove the car alongside him.
Does it happen? I am sure it does. But not on an almost daily basis. I could easily make a list of more than one hundred memories of some guy going creepster on me. Varying from commanding me to "smile!" to putting licentious notes in my handbag at school, to grabbing my breasts as I walked home from work, to unzipping their pants and pulling it out and stroking it on the subway, to following me into a bathroom in my office building and pushing me up against a wall. On and on, though the instances became uch less frequent after I turned about forty.
I'm not unusual, being a woman that has untold number of sexual aggression directed my way. Many women have similar experiences.
Can YOU make a list of more than a hundred times some woman has transgressed against you, personally? Any other man here?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 27, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
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Is it really an apology, when in the same breath the perv says he remembers the incident differently than the victim is claiming?
Listen to Franken. He's in full-weasel mode.
He claims to remember things different than Tweeden says, but when specifically asked - both today and Sunday - what that difference is, he evades the question without ever answering.
Franken is not coming clean. His *apology* is just more spin.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 27, 2017 - 06:57pm PT
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Frankengrope didn't know he was going to be a Senator back then ...I'm sure if women had come out in force back then and raised a stink about groping this wouldn't be an issue...I've been groped by the opposite sex before...Probably because i hadn't showered in 3 weeks and the groping was pretty disgusting,,,In fact it was by a repulsive lady that posts here , a serial groper...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 27, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
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Wheaties or Cheerios?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Nov 27, 2017 - 07:16pm PT
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Where is the all-purpose sex perversion thread, I can't seem to find it anywhere.
British actress Kadian Noble filed a civil suit on Monday in New York alleging that Harvey Weinstein forced her into sexual acts while abroad in 2014. Even more damning: The suit, obtained by USA TODAY, claims The Weinstein Company violated federal sex trafficking law "by benefiting from, and knowingly facilitating" Weinstein's foreign business travels in which he would "recruit or entice female actors into forced or coerced sexual encounters on the promise of roles in films or entertainment projects."
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 27, 2017 - 08:41pm PT
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Non-partisan = I reject the corruption and cronyism of the 2 party plutocracy. That way I can live with a clean conscience no matter what happens!
A little research will reveal that of the 535 members of Congress, the folks that run the country we live in, there are but 2 Independent's and they caucus with the Democrat's. So there are effectively zero (that's none, nobody, zilcho) non-partisan members in office. + the Doofus in Chief & VP, Republicans. So basically, you're talking about a system that doesn't exist. I prefer to deal with the system that exists in reality.
You might be right about it being corrupt, however. But it's the system we have.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 27, 2017 - 09:29pm PT
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not we the people. Who elected them then?
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 28, 2017 - 01:09am PT
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T Hocking Wrote:
That's my point, the system that exists in reality is a plutocracy.
The politicians and media on both sides are owned by their corporate and special interest overlords, not we the people.
Crankster replied:
Who elected them then?
I recommend watching this talk by Lawrence Lessig to provide you with part of the answer to your question:
https://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim#t-304865
From his talk:
*132 Americans donated 60% of the money to Super Pacs in 2012.
*The funders determine the candidates we ultimately vote for.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 28, 2017 - 06:40am PT
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Indeed, Jebus. Well said.
The "throw them all out" mentality is seriously flawed, lazy thinking. Exactly who are you going to replace "them" with? Where's your model citizen? Sure there's no skeletons (or roving hands) in their past?
Go ahead and wish for your fantasy government. Maybe Santa has it in his bag.
As for Franken, that's up to the people of Minnesota to decide.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 28, 2017 - 06:47am PT
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Clinton was censored ( impeached ) for lying about Lewwinksky and Paula Jones...Trump has 16 women who have come forward claiming he molested them..Trump bullied and intimidated them by threatening to sue... Are the sanctamonious republicans going to prosecute Trump or leave him in office to bring their party down..?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 28, 2017 - 08:06am PT
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The guy pressing women into corners and grabbing their pussy and the pederast undressing and molesting 14-year olds are guilty of violations many orders of magnitude greater.
Ummm, haven't seen that allegation. Wrong word?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Nov 28, 2017 - 10:50am PT
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Maybe. What's your point?
My point is that women deal with sexually aggressive advance, assaults and intimidation and abuse on a level that most man never, thank their lucky stars, and to listen to guys who HAVE and have other guys say "See we men have it rough too" makes me irate.
YEAH, the boy who had creepster Uncle Creepo "take him under his wing" knows damned well what it's like. But a guy who had a group of drunk girls call out "Nice pecs!" and then turn red in embarrassment and hide their faces, not so much.
Real time, right now: I came into a coffee shop to do some online work. The best table with an outlet near it happened to be next to one in which a young attractive woman was being interviewed by a reporter, and a photographer with pro gear. I knew I would be invading their space, but I figured it was some small town "Entrpreneur of the Month" piece or something.
No....not quite.
For the last hour I have been overhearing fragments of the conversation between a reporter and a woman who was one of the lucky ones. A woman who has been sexually trafficked, gotten out and actually been able to resume a life which she finds worth living.
I listened as she described how the man who held her approached, befriended, "courted" and brought her under his control, how he kept her "his" through mind control and emotional abuse, how he sold her, over and over, and how she escaped, and how he stalked her for months afterward, and how he is stopped now only by the walls of a jail he's currently incarcerated in.
She talked about how CHILDREN are being purchased on trafficking routes, by pimps and by the men who look for sex with teens, preadolescents, toddlers, even infants. And while there has always been a "trade" for young boys, it is getting much more prevelant. Vulnerable boys are definitely at risk, but the number of girls targeted is still much more the majority.
F*#K this bullshit of trying to minimize what women deal with at the hands of predators, whether they be creepy comedians using their antics for laughs or evil criminals making money off the bodies of others or even the f*#king president of this country who is still "innocent until proven guilty." Only a complete IDIOT would look at the numerous images of him with his daughter and his comments over the years to not know EXACTLY what he is.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Nov 28, 2017 - 12:39pm PT
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"*132 Americans donated 60% of the money to Super Pacs in 2012.
*The funders determine the candidates we ultimately vote for. "
And which party is consistently against any limits on campaign funding?
Which party wants corporate yes-men installed on the Supreme Court?
Which party loves the citizens united decision?
Which party does the most gerrymandering?
Which party tries to prevent people from voting?
Which party is about to give a $1.5 trillion dollar gift to the billionaires?
Which party calls it tax reform when private jets and luxury sports boxes are 100% deductible?
Which party installs corporate shills to top government positions?
Which party hates the EPA?
Which party hates all consumer protection?
Which party is attempting to stop net-neutrality?
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Nuglet
Trad climber
Orange Murica!
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2017 - 12:54pm PT
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which party grabs Pocahontas?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nov 28, 2017 - 12:57pm PT
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Which party rubber stamps for approval to the Federal Courts a 38 year old who has never tried even one case and has a unanimous no vote from the American Bar Association?
Which party voted against the Lilly Fair Pay Act guaranteeing women equal pay for equal work?
Which party rubber stamps grossly unqualified Ben Carson to be the head of HUD?
Which party rubber stamps Perry to be head of the Dept of Energy?
because both of the above were the only two Republican Primary debate candidates who did not attack Donald, their reward is cabinet level positions
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