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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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A perspective not to be excluded, WBraun.
But when facts are excluded from the equation as the duck often do, here's the real duck:
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Ha! Thanks locker.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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The guy is coming across as an unhinged megalomaniac narcissist.
and those are his best qualities
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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"So called judge." Trumplethinskin is trying to de-legitimize the federal judiciary. Guess what Don, the first appeals court upheld the so called judge.
Pretty funny, coming from our so called president.
Curt
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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longer version: the dems lost for two reasons. they put up a terrible candidate AND given the current climate they put up a terrible platform [the second half is what is not being faced by the general talking head dems].
the platform was the same centre right [by any global analysis] foreign policy and economic platform the dems have now ran for decades combined with a continued centre left social agenda. and if anything more emphasis was placed on the latter [social agenda] than the former [economic/foreign policy].
The Dems put up one of the most hated/least liked (even in her own party) candidates and she still won almost 3 million more votes than her opponent. But the Dems have to absolutely change everything now, now, now.
Huh?
Yes, the Dems have to take into account how the electoral college makes some states and some voters more important than the others. I'm still not convinced that a radical change is the way to go.
and the same time, nothing new was offered with regards to where most people [on both the right and left] are actually losing/suffering. it was the same ole centre right economic/foreign policy that the dems have played for years now
So what should the Dems offer that can be accomplished? Yes, there are lots of people with low education levels and they and their communities they live in are suffering. What concrete things would help them out? Maybe making sure they have decent health care even if they are un (or under) employed? Increasing the minimum wage? Government make work programs? None of those tend to be popular with that class of voters. You can spend tax payer money to get a few companies to relocate to some given location. That create a race to the bottom offering business support and it creates a few winners and even more losers.
Yes the Dems could go down the left wing populists approach that Latin (and South) America tried with such awesome success, especially in the 1960s-1980s window. A few people benefit for a while. Consumers suffer. Businesses can no longer compete internationally and businesses always come back to the government demanding more protection and more tax payer help.
Is that really where the Dems should go? If not, what is a concrete policy/election platform that the Dems should adopt that would both be: 1. Appealing to down and out voters. 2. A workable policy that the country really ought to adopt.
Which means formulating an economic and foreign policy platform that actually resonates with folks...
Economics I've asked about. What would an example of the foreign policy platform be? Bring the troops home? Make the sands of the Middle East glow? Try to cut a deal with Putin? See if we can destabilize the EU, blow up the Euro, and have a nice financial crisis? Launch more drones? Launch fewer drones? Bomb Iran?
if not, then continue your contribution to eight more years of rethuglican devolution.
8 years of Bush gave the Dems the Whitehouse and both houses of congress. I may be overly optimistic but I think Trump can deliver in 4.
Whatever the R's do or do not do with health care, I predict that most Americans will be upset with their health care and will blame the R's for screwing it up (or for not fixing it in the unlikely case they do nothing).
Economic inequality will continue to rise as will economic insecurity for more and more Americans. A trade war could make that much worse.
Trump's unilateral approach in foreign policy will backfire.
Most voters, even Republican voters are not in favor of tax cuts on the super wealthy but R's will do that anyway.
In the best case scenario, the Middle East will still be a huge mess. Worst case is really, really grim.
I also think it likely that Trump will have some really, yuge scandals. We are talking about the absolute best scandals.
I think the Dems chances of the Whitehouse in 2020 are excellent. My pre-election prediction was that Hillary would more likely than not win in 2016 and, assuming she did, the R's (maybe Paul Ryan?) would win in 2020. (Just as long as the Dem's can put up somebody who is not terrible...)
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Norton
Social climber
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So how much will the uninsured rate increase with an Obamacare repeal? Heres the list (top 20) for Trump states:
West Virginia 208%
Kentucky 200%
Michigan 175%
Arkansas 171%
Montana 168%
Ohio 155%
Louisiana 154%
North Dakota 154%
Wisconsin 144%
Maine 122%
Nebraska 111%
Indiana 103%
Idaho 101%
Arizona 95%
Missouri 93%
South Dakota 92%
Florida 90%
North Carolina 90%
Utah 83%
Tennessee 79%
go ahead and repeal the ACA, and call the new thing TrumpCare and watch it hit the fan
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Good stuff Norton. Love those alternative facts.
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Norton
Social climber
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prove them wrong, Edward
otherwise, STFU
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Nice post August! Similar circumstances were leading to a 4 year term for Bush then a few guys got on some planes with box cutters and our world was turned upside down.
Imagine the constitutional turmoil Trump could make out of a domestic attack.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2017 - 10:50pm PT
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Now Trump attacks a Republican judge who applies the normal judiciary process. More than a terror attack from outside the U.S., a dictatorial overthrow from inside the White House looks like a much more serious threat.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Daniel Horowitz? You're quoting Daniel Horowitz and calling someone else a twit? Crikey. Horowitz is an ambulance chasing moron with a law degree from an unranked, part-time law school and is just another media whore at Breitbart. Not only is he not a big-time constitutional legal mind or scholar, but he has no constitutional expertise or experience of any kind at all. He's just another fringe-right gasbag.
Hell, John Yoo is a legal goliath compared to Horowitz and yet was still a frigging lapdog stooge for a presidency run amok.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Our so called president will have to learn that he is not a dictator and he has to follow the Rule of Law like the rest of us
A Muslim Ban is Unconstitutional, fact
White Nationalist unite!
pyro You guys are looking good, hope you can get huge Polls
Put on your brown shirts for solidarity, and so we can know who you are.
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dirtbag
climber
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Pyro you sound just like the folks complaining about the justices who decided Brown v. Board of Education.
But you probably have no idea what that decision is about.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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You can tell between fake news and alternative facts that trumpco has a specific white nationalist agenda it's just pushing through and making this sh#t up as they go along. It's not unlike the neocon's with their 'Project for a New American Century' and is further ruining America's image and prestige abroad even faster and worse than under the neocons.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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100 private companies have filed a brief against the travel ban.
20 or so former government officials have filed a brief against the travel ban.
Judge Robart is considered one of the better federal judges.
The appeals court upheld Robart.
Trump disrespected the federal judiciary.
Trump is a fool of a tool.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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I look at Trump's Twitter feed twice a day(okay, that's a fake fact - I look at it every damned time I log on. It's like living next to a dangerous intersection and just not being able to help yourself from looking every time you pass the living room window), and for his "I call my own shots, here's my comment:
@realDonaldTrump Truth? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you make decisions based on whether your morning BM was a floater or sinker
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When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting on death row
You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, the guns of Brixton
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data,
Hahahaha
See you at the Point in an hour, Ryan.
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