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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 13, 2017 - 08:52am PT
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The biggest issue is if I put my water down it the ground my neighbor can drill down and take it. That's f*#ked up man!
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 13, 2017 - 08:58am PT
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Big article in LA Times today about Moonbeam goin' to the well of taxing rich folk like a junkie
once too often. The well is running down so the deficit is goin' up big time.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 13, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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I know this is going to sound crazy, but water in California for the most part is far less expensive than it is in other parts of the nation.
We do not pay by any stretch of the imagination the highest water rates out there.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 13, 2017 - 09:19am PT
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Unlike most of California’s reservoirs, Sites would be off-stream and collect water from the Sacramento River via a 14-mile pipeline. Backers of the project say Sites could add 500,000 acre-feet of water to the state’s system per year, which Gallagher says is enough to serve 1.2 million families.
Pipeline in, pipeline out. Power to pump it. Expensive.
What this really is, is another "jobs program", with huge opportunities for graft and corruption (I'll bet the dollars are already flowing to the relevant legislators)---a big thing that'll take 5-10 years to build, then will be a boondoggle for a century.
Note that this has been in the planning for FORTY YEARS. So much for Blue's "just throw it up".
This kind of infrastructure creation is just nuts, at this point. So many other better alternatives are being developed.
I just heard on the local NPR, that efficient management of the watershed in LA with these last storms captured 12 billion gallons of water for beneficial reuse. We built an inflatable rubber dam.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 13, 2017 - 09:21am PT
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TT, great Quad photo. Those were the great days, even before mine!
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 13, 2017 - 12:09pm PT
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Ken M: I barely recognized the campus when I visited it about 5 years ago when my younger son decided to go to school there. Anyway I still have fond memories from the late 70s of playing frisbee on the Quad during Spring quarter...the young coeds having shed their winter coats...;-)
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 13, 2017 - 12:15pm PT
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Speaking of California flooding...check out this NYT article from 1862. While the Civil War was raging on the other side of the country, California experienced an incredible "atmospheric river" event during which ~ 9 inches of rain was recorded in < 48 hours in Grass Valley and the American River near Auburn rose 30+ feet.
Note insensitive language used to describe the tragic deaths of 45 Asian inhabitants of Long Bar on the Yuba River during this event.
http://www.nytimes.com/1862/01/21/news/the-great-flood-in-california-great-destruction-of-property-damage-10000000.html
Atmospheric River Storm (ARk Storm)...
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 13, 2017 - 03:35pm PT
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Assemblyman James Gallagher, R-Yuba City, is leading a troupe of lawmakers today on a tour of the Sites Reservoir, a $4.4 billion proposed water storage project four decades in the making.
With 500,000 acre-feet of storage.
So the actual cost is likely to be more than the "proposed" cost and that doesn't include pumping costs and maintenance.
If my quick calculations plus internet searches are correct:
It takes around 1000 gallons for a pound of almonds so an additional 500,000 acre-feet a year would be around 200 million pounds a year.
(275 almonds/pound at 4 gallons per almond)
I couldn't find a good number for how much a farmer makes per pound after expenses. Maybe a dollar per pound?
So that would be 200 million a year minus the capital cost of the allegedly $4 billion reservoir minus the yearly cost of pumping.
Anyway this could actually make sense at market rates or are some of my assumptions/numbers off?
And I have my doubts that it would actually add 500,000 every year including when there is several years of drought in a row (which are the important years when you are talking about keeping the trees alive).
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chainsaw
Trad climber
CA
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Jan 13, 2017 - 04:31pm PT
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The problem with publick works in California is that theyre all BLOATED AS FAWK!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jan 13, 2017 - 05:37pm PT
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August West writes:
"It takes around 1000 gallons for a pound of almonds..."
Source?
The claims I've seen like that concerning avocados are false, and I can prove it.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jan 13, 2017 - 09:27pm PT
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The 5 spanning Shasta lake taken today.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2017 - 11:21am PT
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[quote]THANKS GOVERNOR BROWN!!! 350 billion gallons of water just saved. Suck on that Bluering! Read it and weep: http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/09/california-storms-fill-drought-parched-reservoirs/[/quote]
Couchmaster, that is great! Not sure why I should "suck on it", but my point is that the resevoirs are OVERFLOWING now. And SoCal is not 'out of the water' in terms of water capacity.
Build some more storage! Or perfect the art of desalinization. Not sure what impacts desal has on ocean environments though. Another issue.
Better to just capture what the heavens deliver to us. Hold it through the spring/summer until we're blessed with more in the fall/winter.
This is elementary sh#t...
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jstan
climber
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Jan 14, 2017 - 11:55am PT
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Hopefully the tier system for water rates in the central valley is being made steeper. I notice though the tier system used by SCE is being flattened. As larger and larger portions of the power needed during daylight are moving to solar we can only guess what future costs are going to be. And the costs for shutting down nuclear generation can only take a larger and larger portion of the total cost of power. In the end game all of the recurring costs may be for nuclear power used in the distant past. So much for the marketing telling us nuclear power will be so cheap we can leave all the lights on.
BITD people never used to get away saying absurd things. Following the idea if you can mislead even one person you have tilted things in your favor. Being caught saying absurd things used to destroy one's credibility forever. No longer. History has been entirely destroyed.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2017 - 12:05pm PT
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BITD people never used to get away saying absurd things. Following the idea if you can mislead even one person you have tilted things in your favor. Being caught saying absurd things used to destroy one's credibility forever. No longer. History has been entirely destroyed.
It would have been nice for people to hold Obama accountable for the bullshit he spewed, the same way they now go after Trump.
I guess we see now why people have awoken to a lazy, compliant media that strongly skews to the left. People see it now, brace for the changes.
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jstan
climber
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Jan 14, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
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I swear. I keep getting pushed ever closer to agreeing with Werner.
Edit
B: That's what a free people do. We come at issues from different angles and frequencies, but we have to seek harmony. For EVERYBODY.have to seek harmony. For EVERYBODY.
B: It would have been nice for people to hold Obama accountable for the bullshit he spewed, the same way they now go after Trump.
This is a search for harmony?
Blue the first time you came to my attension you were asserting ALL citizens of the UK were as#@&%es because two of them were unwilling to let you, in your inebriated condition, climb with them. Blue IMHO, you are a good five sigma off the mean. Try reading the posts to some of your threads. See if that is not what they too are saying.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2017 - 12:38pm PT
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I swear. I keep getting pushed ever closer to agreeing with Werner.
I'm already there. Werner is wise, but misguided on some things just because of his position if life.
Or maybe, as Werner would say, I'm the misguided one because of my position in life. But as an individually independent and free people, these are just issues we have to extrapolate and discuss.
That's what a free people do. We come at issues from different angles and frequencies, but we have to seek harmony. For EVERYBODY.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 14, 2017 - 03:39pm PT
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Blue, I'm not sure if you are simply uneducated, stupid, or too lazy to read your own thread. I suspect the latter.
So I'm calling you out. Defend your opinion. You state that it is so obvious, it should be easy to do.
I, and others, have posted that we ALREADY have relatively empty groundwater basins, capable of holding the entire water supply of the state, many times over. They are just sitting there, empty.
We have already told you that the good places for reservoirs have ALREADY been built. What remains would drown cities, be on earthquake faults, take many years to build.
So I ask you, what do you get out of spending billions of dollars of taxpayers' money? To produce something that is neither needed nor even desirable?
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c wilmot
climber
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Jan 14, 2017 - 03:48pm PT
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Ken m the shaata lake dam is just waiting to be raised. It's why the idea keeps being brought up
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jstan
climber
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Jan 14, 2017 - 08:34pm PT
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Why don't you enlighten us on how we are going to get all that water into those basins?
Where it's simple to do, (SGV), it's already being done.
Before trying to take a cut on this I should, quite frankly, go over the topo maps of the JT aquifer with Curt Sauer. But bear with me as I have spent some time out there picking up trash. It is a big flat area with perhaps 10% of the lots developed. And with the flood control projects directing water away from the undeveloped lots. Changing things in this particular case is a matter of funding and land ownership rights. Doing something requires us to change our existing priorities. That's tough. Not being able to find a glass of water
is equally tough.
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