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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jul 10, 2016 - 01:39pm PT
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If you opened your mind, your photography would follow, and that is the truth . .But you seem way to afraid to go there. . .you will know the truth by the Confederacy of dunces against it. . .
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 10, 2016 - 01:53pm PT
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Gl...whatever keeps providing the relevant data. Says it all.
The FBI crime-stats are considered to be the go-to reference too. Non-partisan, just numbers, facts, data. Raw.
It's not so amazing that people refuse to look at these figures. They dispel every politically-correct stement about racism and guns killing people.
No wonder they ignore the facts, doesn't fit the 'desired' narrative.
EDIT: I amazed that Callie doesn't chime in on this. She is our resident Criminologist with a freakin PhD. She probably is lurking and gathering data on sentiments.
She prolly doesn't want her credential anywhere near this discussion on this particular forum. And I don't blame her a bit.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 10, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
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I find it very bizare that many privlaged white americans have been conditioned to think all other white people are the problem while they themselves are somehow "above" it all. These people are the ones quickest to spout anti white rhetoric as well while somehow thinking their whiteness is of no concern because its those OTHER white people who are evil....
this mindset is also directed at kids who are literally being taught that "white privilege" is somehow real and that your skin color again defines your moral values or place in society.
We honkies have been at the tippy top of the food chain for over four hundred years, including now, usually as a result of racist polices designed to elevate us at the expense of other groups.
Quit yer bitching.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:05pm PT
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I've been watching it Bluering. I am a criminologist and one of my primary areas of expertise is crime data (including the FBI's data collections, and BJS's NCVS data) - both are Bureaus housed at the Department of Justice. When I lived in DC, I worked at DOJ's BJS using NCVS data. I still work with BJS (not as an employee) and use both data sets. Believe me, I can bore the best of them at a cocktail party with my crime data knowledge! :)
I learned a long time ago that people on threads like these don't really care what the data say, or what research suggests, they just believe what they want to believe and cherry pick info showing that their thoughts are right. I save my energy for other things...like climbing (when I'm not working). :)
Carry on!
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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The FBI crime-stats are considered to be the go-to reference too. Non-partisan, just numbers, facts, data. Raw.
It's not so amazing that people refuse to look at these figures. They dispel every politically-correct stement about racism and guns killing people.
No wonder they ignore the facts, doesn't fit the 'desired' narrative.
Actually the statistics collected are not as accurate as you contend They are an accumulation of “voluntary” data submissions. And just because they do submit data does not mean the data is “comprehensive”. The reporting agencies can choose what to submit. So any “desired narrative” based solely on this data is probably drastically skewed.
Here are some links. I’ll leave it up to your ‘desired’ narrative of what all of this means....
UCR FAQ:
[url="https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr_general.html#agencyparticipation"]https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr_general.html#agencyparticipation
[/url]
UCR NIBRS 2013 data
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/nibrs/2013/resources/nibrs-participation-by-state
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
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White-guilt is real. It's the result of making white people feel guilty for their success. WHich, of course, is stupid. And inherently racist.
Successful blacks don't have to fear such guilt.
This is driven by the limp-wristed, politically-safe, media. This can even be seen in marketing now - the stupid white male husband who can't so anything but his 6 yr.old and wife have it all figured out.
This indoctrination has been happening for at least 20 years. The MSM meant well initially, tried to diversify their appeal, but it just goes too far now. And it's too obvious, it looks weird.
I have never succumbed to this bullsh#t. I refuse. And I have to pay a price for being 'that guy' who has to say what everybody else thinks, but everyone is afraid to say. I have no problem with it.
America has extended her hand to black America for a long time. And many have risen above what most other could never accomplish.
I don't like the term black America either. We are ALL AMERICANS. Wops, kikes, niggers, spics, wetbacks, greasers, whatever....
What makes us a very special place is that we all get over it and come together for a common goal. Making America Great Again. hehe.
There is not a black, white, or race problem in America. We have a problem where people seem to be finding ways to divide us. A real leader would rise about this and illucidate a plan for a New America, where everybody is asked to help rebuild this country. And everybody is employed to do so.
You gotta have vision, man.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
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Bluering you are so fookin clueless about race in America.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:39pm PT
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What state do you reckon from, db?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jul 10, 2016 - 02:45pm PT
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Bluering you are so fookin clueless about race in America.
That's an easy statement to make.
I think it's people like you and all the other race-baiters that have it all wrong.
I can prove it, but I thought I already did. This racism bullshit is tiring...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jul 10, 2016 - 03:59pm PT
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If guns are supposed to make you safer, how did 5 armed and trained police officers get wasted?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jul 10, 2016 - 04:11pm PT
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If seat-belts make you safer, why do people still die in car wrecks?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jul 10, 2016 - 05:37pm PT
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What good are seat belts without cars....?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jul 10, 2016 - 07:41pm PT
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^^^
No, I'm being facetious, and making fun of gun nuts
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:18pm PT
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Gun nut is a snarl word referring to a person (often, but not always, male and Republican, and usually in the United States, though they exist elsewhere) who not only believes in the right to keep and bear arms, but makes a point of doing so with gusto in the face of obvious facts that contradict their irrational beliefs
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 10, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
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Alex Jones: George Soros Engineered Dallas Attack To Launch A Race War
7/8/16 @ 12:45pm
InfoWars network host Alex Jones claimed today that liberal philanthropist George Soros engineered the murder of several law enforcement officers in Dallas as part of his nefarious plot to divide and destroy the U.S. Jones, an outspoken ally of Donald Trump, said that Soros is pushing for a “...
to find out what the Klimmer's of the world are feeding on
you can read about it on this site
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/
or the Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2016/hate-race
(now clickable!)
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jul 10, 2016 - 09:36pm PT
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Anyone concerned with the implications of a police force using robot bombs?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jul 10, 2016 - 10:02pm PT
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Anyone concerned with the implications of a police force using robot bombs?
I think it was a good call.
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Jul 10, 2016 - 10:10pm PT
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Anyone concerned with the implications of a police force using robot bombs
Bullet from a police sniper any different? Result is the same. Just tactical tools limiting exposure of LEO personnel.
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