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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Well, I was going to respond to you Hawkeye, but it seems we need to clear a few things up first.
1) That fleshy thing you are sitting on is your ass.
2) That thing in your front yard with a chipmunk's head sticking out of it is a hole in the ground.
I've known Pete personally for more than 10 years. And for your information, most of his "tips" are directly stolen from Chongo, who I have known for even longer. Pete will tell you he edited Chongo's book, Chongo will say the same, but add the word plagerize... I've got his number, wanna call him?
As for the "get a life" crack, I think it highly unlikely you have done 1/10th the amount of living I have.
But the way you post makes me think you aren't only ignorant, but an as#@&%e too.
Werner, I could send you a CDK, but it would probably wriggle itself free by the time it got there...
Someone call "Ted" and tell him his new knickname is "Ted Titanium, the CDK survivor"
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
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heh
"Ted Rad" just doesn't quite have the same ring anymore.
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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I'll be more than happy to give Ted a jingle and let him know about his new nickname.
Ted Titanium.... KickAss™™™
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Yeah, because his real name sounds like a porn star's stage name...
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Definintely his last name; knott so sure about his first...LOL
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Hmm, you're right, as it is a euphamism for "a little bit"...
Midget porn then.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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BTW, do you guys even know what his real name is? Knott his "real" nickname,
but the name on his driver license? I only found out when I bought that POS Subaru...
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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LOLzer.
I hope he reads this sh#t.
"Hey, I'll buy a grilled cheese for a buck!"
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
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nope, TED RAD is all I know him by.
Although the Humboldt Assassin has a nice ring to it.
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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I think I do.
I'll email it to you.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Wrong-O...
First person to e-mail his real first name gets a free beer.
I will knott hold my breath...
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cybele
Ice climber
finally, west of the Mississippi
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I'm getting very tired of this thread (what, already?). For whatever it matters, I posted all of my own accord, no arm twisting. You'll notice it wasn't entirely positive, either.
Pete talked to you in front of me Janet, and I commented to him several times on how pleasant it was to hear how genuinely interested in you he was (myself not being able to say the same about the man I loved, who was, however, sexually faithful). He was so sweet and thoughtful on the phone to you, and wasn't faking, and when I asked him about you later he had the highest regards, including concern for your welfare and the welfare of those important to you. And willingness to give up things he would have chosen, in order to spend time with you doing what you like. This struck me as a truly caring position.
For some people (mostly men, because the conditioning of the culture exacerbates evolutionary psychological differences in the nature of the sex drive), sex and love can be wildly seperate, OR one, "depending". That the man can have sex does not, in his mind, make him love the one he loves less. It is a position not acceptable to many (particularly women) in this culture. Some men who have this way of being may take the moral high road and openly opt for alternative lifestyles where open relationships and nonmonogamy are acceptable... I know more than several folks, both men and women, who have successfully pursued this option. In the meantime, most lie, but in their mind, lies of ommission and lies of neccessity, and nothing that takes away from their feelings for the significant other.
Unfathomable and hurtful to the significant other? Horribly. And whether that "open" way is a viable and respectable mindset (in which case society is partially to blame for creating an irreconcilable problem) or whether it is a sexual addiction (read: disease) to treat like a gambling problem, I don't know. (Remember monogamy evolved into a firm social mandate to protect paternity claims. Men couldn't otherwise know thay were passing "their" property on to "their" own sons... plenty of woman like to screw around some too...) But when viewed with compassion as an outsider, it need not be THE determining factor in my opinions of someone who is a friend or member of the community. I will call someone out on their behaviors when it hurts others, sure. But, moral judgement? How many friends do we have that we suspect are budding or full-on alcoholics, and who err due to it, but we look at their better qualities first? I think Pete should take more responsibility for the impact of his behaviors on others, but then shouldn't we all?
I think Pete is a handy scapegoat. He is eccentric, which is enough to bring down the wrath. As to his safety, I don't know what happened on Muir. I know he has made mistakes, but I have also seen other experienced climbers make terrible mistakes. At least he seems willing to analyze and always learn. And he was refreshingly open to my ideas and input, very respectful intellectually during our climbs.
Yes, much of the original insight into his systems came from Chongo. But, then, Pete has done how many walls, testing ideas? There are only so many ways to do stuff, and so many ways to write about it. While early on he probably more directly stole ideas off Chongo, he then field tested them and reported back on the internet how what worked for him. I don't know enough about the nuance to really take sides. I know when I set out to solo WFLT, I had no clue where to turn for info, and my Google searches returned a bunch of stuff painstakingly entered into the public domain by Pete and nobody else... enough to get me up there.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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Wow! Well said, Cybele! Pretty much exactly, on many counts, what I was trying to say earlier (days ago) but didn't articulate as well.
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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I give up.
Go clusterf*#k yourselves with those needlessly complex "systems".
You are right in the part that you don't know the "nuances", I am unaware of a single thing that he has come up with on his own.
Wait, I take that back. I have never heard of anybody else duct tapping hooks to the wall for pro. Probably because it is rediculous, and if you do fall, it would likely destroy the placement.
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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You found that stuff on the net because Chongo was trying to sell it to eat. Pete stole it and posted it to make himself out to be a master of bigwall technique.
Where were all the stupid chicks when I was single?
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
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hahaha I'm single now, ECF... I'll cash in for ya. =)
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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"Where were all the stupid chicks when I was single?"
LOL
nice
i have bumped into a stupid chick or 2 in my day, but rarely have i ever heard a woman defend a male's right to wander the earth and spread his seed, that's classic. are you tring to become an honorary frat guy?
i also love all the refrences to "in this culture" and the like. do you wanna know what makes grown men need to shag every girl they meet? it's not biology, it's not the need to father more children, it's just low self esteem, plain and simple. (edit- that might not be true of a 19 year old, but it becomes more and more the case as one enters adulthood, /edit). some guys find validation in the feeling of being wanted. they feel good about themself because they think the act of conquest validates them, and it temporarily inflates their depleted sense of self worth. unfortunately for them (and the women they lie to), they never learn to experience intimacy. that is why they remain perpetually unsatisfied. if you want to call that "sexual addiction", and thereby excuse the person, go right ahead, but don't try to sell it to me.
some of these men learn how to operate successfully, meaning they engage in a given pattern w/out facing serious consequences, and they often simply continue that pattern until there are consequences. people like you excuse them, and/or make excuses for them, and they learn that they can get away with it- largely because so many people in their lives let them get away with very poor behavior. in most cases it catches up with them, sometimes at their expense, but usually at the expense of someone who has decided to trust them. i have seen this pattern up close, and it's not pretty to watch it unravel.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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I'll be damned, I'm speachless.
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Fatty wrote:
"Prepare for the coming of the Messiah, repent your sins now for there has been a fundamental change on earth.......................................... I am agreeing with Mutt on this one."
That's like the third time I've seen you two agree in the last couple weeks.
Get a room already.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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for the record, i have never agreed w/ him on a single thing, he just keeps agreeing w/ me. his world is crashing down all around him, what more can he do but to reach out and grab hold of reality, once in a long while...
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