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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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^ Concur.
Daniel has only been sharing his faith and answering questions. It is ludicrous to suggest otherwise. Some people appear unable to read and comprehend.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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My God is the Universe. My god will end all your religions.
Keep it in your head and your church. Otherwise you can expect the light of truth to shine on your ridiculous imaginings, bullshit creation mythologies and hateful, divisive Zombie Cult.
😂
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John M
climber
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can't stand donald trump, nor Cruz, nor Hillary. I will not vote for Hillary. Of all those running, Sanders seems the most honest, though I disagree with some of his policy desires. I would vote for Sanders.
Does that clear up the "religious people all think the same" monologue that some people seem to be stuck in?
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Thank you Locker.
Why can't these jackasses stick to their thread. Totally gumming up an otherwise rational forum ( and world you bunch a Sheep.)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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What jackasses? Who you referring to bro? Is that what Jesus teaches? My question is legit since a lot of those hate groups refer to themselves as Christian.
Does that clear up the "religious people all think the same" monologue that some people seem to be stuck in?
Way to buck the trend John M.
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John M
climber
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Admittedly a large group of purported Christians vote republican. But most of my friends who are religious, including those who claim Christianity, tend to vote Democrat. My parents come from a very strict Southern Baptist background, though they are less strict now, and my mother votes Democrat and my Father votes Republican. The same thing happens in my brothers family. But then my family has been crossing lines for a long time. I grew up having people from all backgrounds and religions/non religion in our house.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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I would've guessed that about you John.
I like it. Lots of crossover in my family as well, and lots of "jack" Christians.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Thanks Lynne. Sorry if I misunderstood. The only definition I can find for "adoptee" in our language, in our time, is "a person who was adopted." Maybe you meant "adopter", meaning someone who has adopted a position? Regardless, for me personally, with my understanding, when I see an "adoptee/adopted/adoptive" relationship portrayed as undesirable, and less than "real", that reflects and reinforces a perspective that I feel harms me. And while I have a wife, and I have daughters, and men throughout history have had wives and daughters, still sexism persists in men and in our society, and probably even in me, in ways that I don't see. I'm a human, like the rest of us, and hopefully I can summon the humility to acknowledge my fallibility of perception and understanding, even with respect to the reasons that I believe what I do.
But maybe I misunderstood what you said. Or maybe you miscommunicated what you meant. Or maybe you misunderstood when Jesus told you that he didn't want an adoptee, and that he wanted a "real" relationship. Or maybe you misunderstood what Jesus told you.
Lots of possibilities. But if you believe that you have a book that gives you the answers, written in a different language in a different time, and you believe that you clearly understand those answers, that's probably a good start. And if you believe that you have a direct understanding of exactly what it is that Jesus wants, even better. And if I can believe that's a reflection of my humility, rather than the arrogance of my human need to confirm the truth of my beliefs, jackpot!
For me, I think that one of the strongest pressures in our belief processes is our self-confirmation bias. We all have it - we all believe that whatever it is that we believe is true. We believe that we're good for believing it. It helps motivate us to act according to our beliefs, without having to endlessly search for more information, and a deeper understanding. We have incomplete information, but we need to believe that we know.
So when it comes to choosing whether to believe that Jesus is telling me that he doesn't want an adoptee relationship with me, or to believe that my evolved psychological tendency towards spiritual belief perceptions has evolved because it supports human warfare which has provided an advantage in human evolution, I know which one I prefer!, without even needing to be consciously aware of it. If I need to add leprechauns to the explanation because cognitive dissonance sucks!, I can probably find a way to live with that. I'm a human - you know how we are.
I have a black daughter. But it doesn't mean I have a get out of racism free card. I'm probably racist in ways that I don't notice. Yea, that sucks for me. I wish that I could believe that I have a book of answers, that I have a direct connection to Jesus, and that I know what Jesus wants. But I don't. But that same human inclination to think that what we believe is right - that we have a book of answers - that we have a direct connection to Jesus - that what we believe is what we believe because it's right, it's true, not because humans have evolved to form beliefs that way - that's the same human inclination that allows me to be racist, without noticing. And I don't want to be that way.
So limpingcrab, does your belief that you have a book of answers, the bible, that tells you the truth, confirm your belief that you have a direct real nonadoptee relationship with Jesus and that you know what Jesus wants, or does it work the other way, that Jesus tells you the truth that the bible is telling the truth? Or do they confirm each other? Or is that not how your belief processes work - really those beliefs are based on something else, maybe something human?
Wishing you well!
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John M
climber
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Bushman..
Posting half asleep at five am sometimes doesn't work out so well for me. I just re-read what I wrote here earlier, pretty lame and there was no call for it. Carry on true believers, not that there's anything wrong with that...
I doh't believe that you had anything to apologize for. You told your story. It is sad and happens all too often. Hopefully one day you will understand that religion and the people in them are not God, and sometimes, all too often, they behave categorically opposite to what God would do. I believe with all of my heart that God is Love.
God is not hatred, bigotry or cruelty, though his followers often behave this way. That is a reflection of their ignorance and the state of their own heart. Not of who God is.
And hopefully one day you will meet some believers who more fully understand what it means that God is Love. Limpingcrab is I believe one of those. Patience and kindness are aspects of Love.
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WBraun
climber
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Just see ^^^
Locker is preaching and playing god.
The cult and church of Locker and the rest of the atheist hypocrites here .....
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Do you have to deny that evolution is true to be a good Christian?
Please site the verse in the bible that disallows the belief in evolution.
Why is there a fossil record that has dug up long extinct forms of life.
Shouldn't there be evidence of a creation event rather than all the evidence proving that all life came from less evolved life forms and slowly evolved to all the species we see today.
scientists have shown that there is no evidence of intelligent design
it's all evolved from basic building blocks
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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My wife is Latino
Our two kids I adopted from her first marriage are Latino
My heritage is
English Irish Welsh Scottish Polish Norwegian Swedish Danish
That makes me 100% Latino
Which also means I'm a Protestant Catholic Athiest
Good grief
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Norton
Social climber
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Evolution had not been invented yet when those guys wrote the Bible.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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This is my top-rope solo set-up and I think it's the better than your set-up...
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Contractor, Ouch!
no way, those slings slice
my rig uses a Yates wall chest harness. Plusshhh
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Contractor!!!
yer goin dye with that get up
call in Cosmic to add some tye dye if want to survive death!!!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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scientists have shown that there is no evidence of intelligent design
it's all evolved from basic building blocks
HaHaHaHaHaHaHa
is that THEE Scientific Method YOUR using?
HaHaHahaHaha
HOW do you think intelligent creation would work?? Do you imagine God said poof and there stood a cow? Maybe you should actually try reading Gene-sis 1, it does describe "a type" of evolution, actually. One that had a planned start date! Another words, "set into motion"; Campared to(in short) modernism's evolution, which transcends by Luck and Chance. Thus requiring no guilt or remorse..
You "Fry"s" of the world, WHEN are you gonna wake up?! Your not here with questions like that of a spirit to learn(exemplified in children)? Your here with presumptions and accusations from your own bias with a prosecutionalary presumption for contempt. Face it, you are 'The Accuser", "The Anti-Christ". Yo gonna burn in the pit of a Sun, shinning rays of energy on all us who live, so Thank you for being the bummer you are today ;)
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Cosmic! that's great when you type!
I PRAY for you every night, Craig.
I have a cousin who is a cloistered Carmelite Nun. She prays for Heidi & me every day. I have never been bothered by that.
My best friend, (really, no schist, my best friend!) Jerry, is a good Presbyterian. He is a deacon in his church, makes food for the poor once a week, and lives a good Christian life.
However, Jerry loves the outdoors, exercise, & adventure, and most of his friends are not Christians. In the 25 years that we have been great friends, he has never tried to proselytize me about God or Jesus. We can just be friends & I can appreciate his quiet faith in God, which I do.
Jerry is my Christian hero, and those that are spewing doctrine here & elsewhere, in their ordained biblical quest to “convert the heathen” are just a pain in my a*#.
Praise Jesus that I don’t have to climb or interact with Christian proselytizers in person.
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ecdh
climber
the east
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Why did god invent hallucinogenic plants?
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