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Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Dec 1, 2015 - 08:55am PT
In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,"
Bernie Sanders

No where did he say ISIS
so why are you saying he said GCC created ISIS

Isn't this just another smear campaign

Take something out of context, call him lying or stupid

What about denying GCC altogether?
Isn't that lie more important than someone flew somewhere to a meeting
What a pathetic double standard



climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism, true
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Dec 1, 2015 - 08:56am PT
Hey NORTON,


You mean this dude???


Report
Out of Uniform and Into the Political Fray

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn retired and immediately began bashing the administration. Has he crossed a line?




Out of Uniform and Into the Political Fray

The witness at the June 10 House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing was tossing the equivalent of red meat to his Republican questioners, who were practically slavering in gratitude.

President Barack Obama’s plan to impose “snapback sanctions” should Iran violate a nuclear deal? “Wishful thinking.”

The awkwardness of having U.S. trainers and Iranian forces both in Iraq helping to counter a common enemy? “We have allowed this thing to get so out of kilter.”

The president’s June 8 remark that “we don’t yet have a complete strategy” for training Iraqi forces to combat the Islamic State? “I was stunned by his comments,” the witness said. “Stunned.”

But the wiry, sharp-featured man giving the representatives what they wanted and then some was no pundit from a right-leaning think tank, nor was he an alumnus of former President George W. Bush’s administration. No, the man in the gray suit sounding the alarm over the current administration’s approach to the Middle East was none other than Obama’s most recent director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.

Since taking off his uniform last August, Flynn, 56, has been in the vanguard of those criticizing the president’s policies in the Middle East, speaking out at venues ranging from congressional hearings and trade association banquets to appearances on Fox News, CNN, Sky News Arabia, and Japanese television, targeting the Iranian nuclear deal, the weakness of the U.S. response to the Islamic State, and the Obama administration’s refusal to call America’s enemies in the Middle East “Islamic militants.” Flynn is hardly the first retired senior officer to criticize a sitting president’s policies, but in the post-9/11 era, no one else has combined Flynn’s rank and high-profile position at retirement, and the speed — once out of uniform — with which he began lambasting the policies of the administration he had just been serving.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Dec 1, 2015 - 08:56am PT
Yes, it is, and it's a lot more complicated than 'President X is a hypocrite about climate change because he flew to a meeting about it'.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:03am PT

Yes, it is, and it's a lot more complicated than 'President X is a hypocrite about climate change because he flew to a meeting about it'.

You're probably right.

But, if you add in all the vacation and golf travel it becomes abundantly clear...
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:04am PT

What's ironic about it?

You expect them to get things done by skype or email?

Yup.

Ever hear of a teleconference?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2015 - 09:06am PT
I have to say the whole "you drove a car to the environmental meeting so you're a hypocrite and can't be trusted" argument is painfully hollow. If a hippie who lived in a yurt and rode his bike everywhere preaches carbon reduction we ridicule him too. Last time I checked there were 15 Republican Candidates flying all over the country despite the fact that only 3 or 4 of them have any distant hope of actually being elected. Are you going to bring up their carbon emissions at their next campaign stop? Unlikely.


10b posted
Yup.

Ever hear of a teleconference?

Do you have any clue how much teleconferencing happened to prepare for this meeting? Do you think a President flies anywhere until 80-90% of the work is already hammered out?
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:08am PT
philo

climber
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:11am PT
Craig the answer about your question regarding Le Chuff is that he is a duplicitous twit. He is sp terrified of what he can't control that he reacts like a child waking from a bad nightmare.
He is so desperate to not hear anything but the voices in his head that he attacks anything that doesn't conform to his narrow minded and bigoted view of the world. Just look at anything he responds to or posts. Clearly he is afraid of change and challenge and does what ever disruptive act he can to stiffle adult discussion. Like taking a shit! in the swimming pool so everyone else with leave him to wallow and bathe in his own fetid stink. He is the SuperTopo Donald, the tRUMP of the Taco. The more people call him on his lies and personal attacks the louder and ruder he gets. This is the down side of US military training, some get lost and never make it back.

Just wait though. Ignoring his own vile putrifications he will comaback and conflate and equate my calling him a twit with his own behavior. Then he will retell one of his bald faced whoppers thinking that people will believe im this time. Deny, deflect, delete.



Just like Hermit master, the MensaMan himself, just did the tbaggers rebarf a lie that has been shown false but convenient to spew. You can show them the records of how much less "vacation" time Obama has taken compared to his predecessors but it won't matter.
They fixate on the golf thing because it's been told to them so often.


10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:13am PT
Last time I checked there were 15 Republican Candidates flying all over the country despite the fact that only 3 or 4 of them have any distant hope of actually being elected. Are you going to bring up their carbon emissions at their next campaign stop? Unlikely.

What does that have to do with anything? I am not talking about the loser republican candidates, I am talking about obamas hypocrisy.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:15am PT
Last time I checked there were 15 Republican Candidates flying all over the country despite the fact that only 3 or 4 of them have any distant hope of actually being elected. Are you going to bring up their carbon emissions at their next campaign stop? Unlikely.

Which ones are talking about reducing carbon emissions to combat climate change?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2015 - 09:19am PT
10b posted
What does that have to do with anything? I am not talking about the loser republican candidates, I am talking about obamas hypocrisy.

So when a dozen people (who actively argue that carbon isn't an issue) fly all around the country for a year tilting at windmills it's fine but when one person who actually has the power to influence global change flies to Europe once it's hypocrisy?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:19am PT
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.

Dec 1, 2015 - 08:35am PT
So now more Personal attacks

are you just retarded??

Why?
Why do you have to show such juvenile behavior, we were trying to debate something here

You win, you are the King of Personal attacks
Now stop



THEN.....



philo

climber

Dec 1, 2015 - 09:11am PT
Craig the answer about your question regarding Le Chuff is that he is a duplicitous twit. He is sp terrified of what he can't control that he reacts like a child waking from a bad nightmare.
He is so desperate to not hear anything but the voices in his head that he attacks anything that doesn't conform to his narrow minded and bigoted view of the world. Just look at anything he responds to or posts. Clearly he is afraid of change and challenge and does what ever disruptive act he can to stiffle adult discussion. Like taking a shit! in the swimming pool so everyone else with leave him to wallow and bathe in his own fetid stink. He is the SuperTopo Donald, the tRUMP of the Taco. The more people call him on his lies and personal attacks the louder and ruder he gets. This is the down side of US military training, some get lost and never make it back.

Just wait though. Ignoring his own vile putrifications he will comaback and conflate and equate my calling him a twit with his own behavior. Then he will retell one of his bald faced whoppers thinking that people will believe im this time. Deny, deflect, delete.


Right on cue.

Thanks again Philo for reaffirming my post...

You of course C-FRY must be referring to Philo, Crankstar, Norton and a slew of others here. Correct?


Of course you can always blame this behavior you speak of C-Fry by your compatriots, on ... Climate Change. And don't forget, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH!
philo

climber
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:24am PT
You've got to be kidding. What hypocricy?

10b you have been so dissappointing lately.
Surely you are learned enough not to call out the head of state for attending a world conferrence as a waste of energy and a carbon footprint issue. He is the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STAES of NORTH AMERICA after all. If the conferrence were about peace negotiation would you expect the POTUS to tell the troops to stop shooting til he's back. And to brush off jet setting GOP canidates travels as outside the purview of your spurious comment/question is really hypocritical.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:40am PT
but when one person who actually has the power to influence global change


Wow you now think Obama is equal to GOD.

I spit coffee all over the monitor when I came across that little gem stone.

TGT .... that was some good posting upthread.

10b.... Phillo is calling you out. Remember its best to not stray to far from the group think of these lefties. They can become really viscous and hateful if YOU don't agree 100%

Peace and love to all.

carry on
philo

climber
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:46am PT
Hey Lyin guyman how are you this fine morning?
Isn't calling people's points of view into question, particularly when when they are specious, spurious and supercilious, a standard part of debate? There was no personal attack was there? There is no gang of lefties cabaling around ST. Unlike the rightwing fanboiz, we all think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions. We each as individuals defend our positions precisely because we have done our own rigorous assessments of facts not in spite of them. Unlike the obvious circlejerk with the Koch problem.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Dec 1, 2015 - 09:57am PT
These United Nations Climate Change Conferences are just so much posturing. Every year, there's a bunch hooplah about a global pact being made to combat global warming. And every year, we're told important groundwork was laid to help make a future deal possible. Every year.

Maybe, this year is "the year".

Maybe not.

philo

climber
Dec 1, 2015 - 10:06am PT
But this year we don't have an oilman to scuttle the Kyoto Accords.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 1, 2015 - 10:10am PT
hey who you calling viscous guyman, ya sumbitch !?


;-)
philo

climber
Dec 1, 2015 - 10:18am PT
"one person who actually has the power to influence global change"


"Wow you now think Obama is equal to GOD."

What a childish response.
The President can certainly influence global change.
Or in the case of Bush resist it.


Would you have been happier if we had sent Joe the Plumber?
Who would you have suggested sending to Yalta?
carry on
philo

climber
Dec 1, 2015 - 10:22am PT
The Oil Tar Sands.
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