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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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@ Healyje. Yep, when you incite the inmates you are responsible for the results. Right wingers have been inciting their buds for years to kill abortion doctors. When it works they deny all responsibility for the result. A nice sort of cognitive dissonance if you want to avoid all responsibility but still get the result you want.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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There's a difference between pointing out problems and inciting action. Let's get real here; there have been persons who have demonized doctors at abortion clinics and called for their death. When the rabble they incite do as they bid they are certainly responsible. Pointing out injustice is not incitement to commit crimes.
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philo
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2015 - 10:18pm PT
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The LEBification of another thread.
Edited to add. That didn't take long.
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philo
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2015 - 08:01am PT
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Werner some have seen through these charades from their beginnings.
But voicing opposition to the myth d'jour tends to get one pilloried by those who will later claim they "knew it all along" when the truth oozes out. WMDs come to mind.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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They are getting so rich of the sale of baby parts, that they are buying Lamborghinis!!!!
A new undercover video shows a top Planned Parenthood official discussing “less crunchy” techniques to get “whole specimens” and haggling over the price of fetus tissue sales because she wants “a Lamborghini.”
Fox News
Carly says "The liberals are harvesting Live Baby Brains"
when you demonize a group with lies
then when some right winger wacko with legal guns shoots it up, you are responsible for provoking the murders
It's the lies that matter, lies that are used as propaganda.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2015 - 08:26am PT
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Retract this blahblah.
For Robert Dear, Religion and Rage Before Planned Parenthood Attack
By RICHARD FAUSSET
DEC. 1, 2015
CHARLESTON, S.C. — The man she had married professed to be deeply religious. But after more than seven years with Robert L. Dear Jr., Barbara Micheau had come to see life with him as a kind of hell on earth.
By January 1993, she had had enough. In a sworn affidavit as part of her divorce case, Ms. Micheau described Mr. Dear as a serial philanderer and a problem gambler, a man who kicked her, beat her head against the floor and fathered two children with other women while they were together. He found excuses for his transgressions, she said, in his idiosyncratic views on Christian eschatology and the nature of salvation.
“He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions,” Ms. Micheau said in the court document. “He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end.”
Robert L. Dear Jr., right, appeared in court via live video with his public defender, Dan King, on Monday in Colorado Springs.Suspect in Planned Parenthood Attack, Hears Murder ChargeNOV. 30, 2015
A man was taken into custody outside a clinic in Colorado Springs on Friday. A gun battle there raged for more than five hours.3 Are Dead in Colorado Springs Shootout at Planned Parenthood CenterNOV. 27, 2015
Robert L. Dear Jr., the suspect in the shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, made this R.V. his home in tiny Hartsel, Colo.Robert Dear, Suspect in Colorado Killings, ‘Preferred to Be Left Alone’NOV. 28, 2015
On Friday, according to officials, Mr. Dear entered a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, killing three people and wounding nine others with a semiautomatic rifle. The attack, which ended with his surrender to the police after a harrowing nationally televised standoff in the snow-dusted Western city, was a brutally violent and very public chapter in a life story whose details are not fully known.
The musty and weathered trailer in Swannanoa, N.C., from which Mr. Dear ran a business called S Prints Mountain Art Prints. Credit Michael Biesecker/Associated Press
But in court documents and interviews with people who knew Mr. Dear well, a picture emerges of an angry and occasionally violent man who seemed deeply disturbed and deeply contradictory: He was a man of religious conviction who sinned openly, a man who craved both extreme solitude and near-constant female company, a man who successfully wooed women but, some of them say, also abused them. He frequented marijuana websites, then argued with other posters, often through heated religious screeds.
“Turn to JESUS or burn in hell,” he wrote on one site on Oct. 7, 2005. “WAKE UP SINNERS U CANT SAVE YOURSELF U WILL DIE AN WORMS SHALL EAT YOUR FLESH, NOW YOUR SOUL IS GOING SOMEWHERE.”
A number of people who knew Mr. Dear said he was a staunch abortion opponent. Ms. Micheau, 60, said in a brief interview Tuesday that late in her marriage to Mr. Dear, he told her that he had put glue in the locks of a Planned Parenthood location in Charleston.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Retract this blahblah.
Either you're being willfully dense, or you just don't seem to be up to getting it. Either way, I'll try one more time:
Our fearless Obama consistently denies that ISIS are in fact Muslim, notwithstanding that not only do they claim to be strictly following Islamic teachings, but also there is Koranic support for their conduct. (Read the highly regarded Atlantic article http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/);
If you accept Obama's reasoning (which appears to be that "most" Muslims don't agree with all ISIS's conduct, although obviously many support them all or at least in part), you should deny that the C. Springs shooter is a Christian.
Or you should admit that Obama is a liar. (Although in fairness to Obama, his lying is "JV" compared to Hillary's.)
Or you can continue to ignore your own and Obama's hypocrisy--that's what I'm betting on!
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Obama calls them Radical Religious Extremists all the time
The only problem is that you want him to call them something he won't call them because it would enflame the situation with normal Muslims
Just like He won't call out PP shooter a Christian Extremist
it would enflame the rest of the Christian right wing terrorists and normal Christians
Why does it matter what he calls them, it's completely juvenile to push such a divisive argument about what words he uses
No one is lying, it's just another smear campaign based on Obama derangement
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Show us the transcript of Obama using Islamic in conjunction with extremist. Put up or shut up Craig.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2015 - 09:05am PT
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No he says they are not acting in the true heart of Islam. They are not truly Muslims. Just like the Westburrough Babitist ASSes and this jackwad Dear, you can claim any religion you want but your actions speak louder than your words.
Your issue is ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) get over it.
Dec 2, 2015 - 09:05am PT
Show us the transcript of Obama using Islamic in conjunction with extremist. Put up or shut up Craig To what end Rick? What would that do except give FOX newsheads a drippy chubby?
Like the inane insistance that Canidates wear a US flag pin. What does that supposedly prove? Except that as Werner says "Americans are stupid" and easilly mollified by shiny meaningless shit!.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Au contraire...I consider members of the Westboro Baptist Church to be true christians. Their behavior resonates nicely with many Old Testament teachings.
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philo
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2015 - 09:14am PT
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Unfortunately Jim that is a very valid point.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Face the facts lads. Neither Muslims, Christians, or atheists hold the patent on extremism. Larger than life characters pushing radical ideologies equals big death. This has been a near constant condition throughout history. Dear and the gangbangers of the inner city are just a useless side show as much bigger menaces rear their ugly heads.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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No one said they did
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Au contraire...I consider members of the Westboro Baptist Church to be true christians. Their behavior resonates nicely with many Old Testament teachings.
Interesting argument--let's see if I follow you.
There are people you regard as "true christians."
And the test of "true christians" is whether "their behavior resonates nicely with many Old Testament teachings."
I think I'm following you.
But one thing I'm not sure about--where does the word "christian" come from? Would that have anything to do with a "true christian"?
Is there a term for people who follow the Old Testament and not the New Testament? Is that term "true Christian"?
Are there some written texts that may give me more insight into the beliefs of "true christians"? Maybe the Old Testament?
Thanks for helping me understand this.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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So someone who murders innocent people.....
Remind me again why we should care what imaginary friend(s) they claim to have? What political parties they belong to? What books they read? What color they are? What clothes they wear? What method they choose?
Terminate the problem and move on....
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Neither Muslims, Christians, or atheists hold the patent on extremism.
True, But when it comes to killing in the name of their God, Muslims are the worst offenders. By a long shot.
How many Christians and Sunnis have been killed by ISIS for not renouncing their faiths?
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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^^^^I thought ISIS are sunni and that they don't like shia
edit; oop, got distracted ....gotta work
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