Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
|
|
Show me ONE study that show Aspergers is cured..... You said he had no mental Heath record.
That's a lie.
Show me where in this case there was any evidence of any OFFICIAL RECORDED diagnoses of such?
The Mothers word in a NYT article is no where near "Official".
I have yet to see or hear any FBI or LE investigation state anything of the sorts.
|
|
John M
climber
|
|
http://news.yahoo.com/pastors-sermon-violence-not-last-word-054629283.html#
this article says the mother knew about some mental health issues. It doesn't' describe them.
More and more information will come out as this plays out.
The problem today is that its not that easy to get your kid help. Plus its expensive and sometimes kind of worthless.
During one of my episodes with being suicidal I went to the county for help.. They put me in a group counseling session with 20 other people. I got 3 minutes to "talk". Not much help.
Then they gave me individual counseling, but the person they sent me to was poorly trained and spent our first hour together talking about her families problems. They gave me 6 sessions with her. After that I was supposed to be healed.
That was the extent of the help that I got from the county. I have spent out of my own pocket most of my income on health care, both mental and physical. Most of the time after the problem was greatly magnified because I couldn't afford to get care early. Our national health care system should help with that, but there is still more that can be done.
I don't know how many times people have told me that there is help out there if you just look for it. Uh huh..
|
|
Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
|
|
The fact that he was admitted and it was necessary for a doctor to release him means there was a diagnoses and treatment.
You show me otherwise.
|
|
The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
|
|
The fact that he was admitted and it was necessary for a doctor to release him means there was a diagnoses and treatment.
Where is that FACT?
Has the Mental Health Provider released that info. Or the FBI or LE or....
No FACT!
Who's to say that the Mother is telling the truth? Where is her back up. Your back up other than a NYT article. The article tells NOTHING of seeing any official documentation or records etc. Nothing of the sorts.
Lanza on the other hand had an extensive record of treatment. But he did not purchase a single weapon. He got em all from his mother who he shot and killed.
|
|
Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
|
|
Read the article. Even the mother admits she and her son both has Aspergers , names the institution where he was admitted, and the son was prescribed medication he didn't take.
Sorry chief, you are just wrong on the point that he had no mental health issues.
The father calls for a change in gun laws to prevent people like him from being able to buy them.
|
|
The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
|
|
Emotionally disturbed is the same as At Risk Youth/ Learning Disabilities programs. Do your homework John M.
apher)
By Megan Barnes, Daily Breeze
Posted: 10/02/15, 7:39 PM PDT | Updated: 1 day ago
 Comments
Chris Harper-Mercer, gunman in the Oregon Umpqua College shooting, graduated from the Switzer Learning Center in Torrance. (Chuck Bennett / Staff Photographer)
The Torrance school attended by Umpqua Community College mass shooter Chris Harper-Mercer specializes in helping emotionally disturbed students who have behavioral problems.
The Switzer Learning Center, a state-certified nonpublic school serving more than a dozen districts, has a fluctuating population of more than 100 third- through 12th-grade students as old as 22 who have struggled educationally, emotionally, and behaviorally, according to its website.
Related: Oregon gunman Chris Harper-Mercer lived in Torrance, graduated from Switzer Center
Many have learning disabilities, enter the school a few grades behind their peers and had difficulties in traditional classrooms. They are referred to Switzer for special attention they needed to succeed against seemingly overwhelming obstacles.
In other words, he had learning disabilities. NOTHING in that article states anything about Mental Health issues and that HE was referred to the center by a psyche. Nothing. His mom enrolled him there.
Are we now to consider a kid with learning disabilities as having Mental Health Issues???
|
|
The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
|
|
mother Laurel, a nurse, wrote on a medical forum that she had an 'Asperger's kid' and told neighbors her son had 'mental issues', according to reports.
BFD!
And two thirds of the clowns on the Super Taco Forum DON'T nor have EVER CLIMBED a rock in their life.
So far NOTHING official has come about. Nothing.
I know ya'll are chomping at the bit to find something, anything to grab everyone's guns. BUT! Before any of you draw any more straws from the NYT or Daily Breeze, I suggest we all wait till the final FBI investigation is concluded and then released.
|
|
Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
|
|
Keep shouting in the void . Nobody is buying this kid had no mental health issues.
Sofia Camarena of Long Beach, California, told The Oregonian/OregonLive that she used to date Harper-Mercer's father."I used to change Chris' diapers when he was a baby," she said, upset after learning that he was the shooter in Thursday's massacre and was himself dead. "He was born with problems. He was hard to discipline. If you told him 'no,' he would scream like you had just hit him."
Camarena said that she had heard Harper-Mercer's mother was having "a hard time" with him and that he attended a special school.
Camarena said she last saw Harper-Mercer when he was 18 and she had asked him how he was doing. "He said he was doing good," said Camarena, whose son went on to marry Harper-Mercer's step-sister.
There are a number of indications that Harper-Mercer had mental health or behavioral issues. His screen name on some social media sites was "lithium love." Lithium is used as a psychiatric medication.
|
|
raymond phule
climber
|
|
Over 700 posts in one month... He was well behaved in the climate thread in comparison.
Cant we split the forum into a main forum and one sub forum that is all about the chief?
|
|
patrick compton
Trad climber
van
|
|
Its not the guns, its the drugs.
the latest: http://www.cchrint.org/2015/10/02/oregon-another-mass-shooting-another-psychiatric-drug-35-school-shootingsmass-stabbings-tied-to-psychiatric-drugs/
historically:
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.
|
|
rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
|
|
The Chief...You will have the option of attending Schwiter in your near future...rj
|
|
Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
|
|
or perhaps the forum needs
a tiny-thinkers tab.
that way we
confine the drama
to a sub-evolved zoo.
only don't call
it the 'teeny-thinkers tab,'
because that'll put
them on the dense defense
and then they'll break out
and enter the grown-up
threads and impede the
vast social progress
that transpires
on these pages.
so occasionally post
an incognito trap
thread that'll attract
their ignorant zeal
and then throw
them a dumb-crumb
now and then.
and we'll all be
happy.
|
|
philo
climber
|
|
^^^ Hahaha classic.
|
|
philo
climber
|
|
All these tiny frightened minds are an anathema and an embarrassment to this Country.
Why I wonder do they want a world like they advocate. If all citizens of a country need to be armed that nation does not deserve to be considered civilized, advanced or worthy of respect.
Why do they want to turn the USA into Yemen or Somalia?
Hey lil chuffie yer baby killin buddies just bombed a Doctors with out Borders hospital in Kunduz killing over 20 including at least 12 doctors. The GPS coordinates of the hospital were well known by the U.S. Forces. Where is your outrage at this Fukup/war crime!
But by all means post up more gang porn and tell us it's all Obama's fault again.
|
|
HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
|
|
If all citizens of a country need to be armed that nation does not deserve to be considered civilized, advanced or worthy of respect.
You mean like Switzerland?
|
|
philo
climber
|
|
They don't walk around in Switzerland like petulant drunken adolescents waving guns in people's faces to make up for developmental inadequacies.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!