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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Who cares more? Who loves his neighbor more?
The person who lets people be and accepts them for who they are. Not the person who wants to see them burn in Hell, that's for sure. Klimmer, you need to look in the mirror more often.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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The person who lets people be and accepts them for who they are.
Define acceptable.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Acceptable
1
: capable or worthy of being accepted <no compromise would be acceptable>
2
a : welcome, pleasing <compliments are always acceptable>
b : barely satisfactory or adequate <performances varied from excellent to acceptable>
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Port
Trad climber
Norwalk, CT
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G-d made them male. And he made them female. Two separate and different sexes. Many verses throughout the Bible concerning that.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Everyone says God says this God says that. My hearing must be bad, i only hear humans saying God says.....
These God threads bring out the best of your humor. And I'm not being sarcastic.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Another simpler analogy. Maybe you'll get it. Or maybe not ...
Bruce Jenner is in a very fast sports car and heading down the road as fast as he can. He just passed a massive road sign that said warning road closed, cliff up ahead (G-d's Torah -- instruction for life!) He just ignored it.
I witness this and see what he just did. I care about him. He was an incredible US Gold Medal Olympian and Decathlete. An amazing talent and HaShem gave it to him. I step-up and warn him. I tell him to stop and turn around and go back. I do not want to see him die and fall to his death. I hold no stones. I am judging no one. I'm reaching out my hand to help save someone. I'm crying out and warning him what's going to happen if he keeps racing ahead and ignoring the road sign (God's Torah). He will plummet off the cliff and die.
The rest of you are crying out to him, "You go girl! More power to you! Do what you want! Keep going!"
Who will have blood on their hands in the end? Not me. I told him to stop and turn around.
You however sent him off the cliff all the while smiling and laughing and encouraging him to keep going, or by keeping your mouth shut and not warning him to stop and turn around.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Who will have blood on their hands in the end? Not me. I told him to stop and turn around.
Not to put to fine a point on it, space noodle invisible sky god worshipper delusion addict, but nobody gives a flying f*#k what you think. Just sayin' pal.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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You are wrong bvb. Maybe you don't, but someone does. Someone who wants to know G-d and wants to be with him for eternity. He knows his children, and His children hear his voice. G-d has a faithful remnant. He always has.
Maybe you should go listen to some Larry Norman music that you have.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Maybe you'll get it. Or maybe not ...
Probably not, and not for lack of trying. You simply refuse to answer any questions I put to you that could help me get it.
He just passed a massive road sign that said warning road closed, cliff up ahead (G-d's Torah -- instruction for life!)
What in the Torah defines gender pronouns or provides ANY relevant instructions to Jenner? WHAT are the "warning signs" in the Torah you are referring to? Please cite chapter and verse. I'm serious. SHOW from the Torah what a "man" is and what a "woman" is.
He just ignored it.
Ignored WHAT?
Look, Klimmer, seriously, you are just babbling your own opinions without citing any authority, including that of the Torah. Unlike most here, I'm granting you the authoritative nature of the texts. I just don't see in the texts what you claim to get out of them.
Now imagine how much harder it is for people on this thread who don't even grant you the authoritative nature of the texts!
Do you really think you are "reaching" anybody by just babbling your own opinions that are loosely based upon texts that most here don't even consider authoritative?
Try to learn something from Paul, who was an effective preacher BY finding the common ground with his hearers and then building from that common ground to the truths he intended to convey.
You are doing NOTHING toward common ground by just popping off with entirely unsupported opinions, as though you have some special handle on the truth that apparently nobody else can get.
If you care to convince, then be willing to actually argue and cite evidence. If you don't care to convince, then why are you bothering to post here?
At present, you are not offering anything that anybody here (including me, and I'm sympathetic with your perspective!) finds convincing.
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Sad conversations.
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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I witness this and see what he just did.
One real problem here is that the sign you posit is entirely in your own imagination, and the "dangerous road" you perceive is a function of psychosis. Others here can't see the warning sign you claim, so we receive your righteous denunciation as lost souls who have strayed from the path you claim—with such egocentric certainty—and you feel weirdly justified in your bigoted, execrable, hateful screed. You are casting stones from the curb, hoping to cause the accident you so clearly believe is preordained.
In the court of public opinion, you have no standing with regard to Ms. Jenner. Your opinion, couched in the black colors of pharisaic dogma, seeks to deny her humanity, and is anything but compassionate. Yours is not any praiseworthy Christianity that I recognize, no matter how much you sanctimoniously claim. Love thy neighbor, indeed…
Proverbs 6:16-19, klimmer. How many abominations does your Abrahamic god secretly count?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Hey! Don't be lumping my Steven Tyler in with this whole thing!
Not nice.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Let's let Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus The Messiah explain truth ...
Matthew 5:17 (The Tree of Life Messianic Family Bible)
"17 Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets! I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 Amen, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or serif shall ever pass away from the Torah until all things come to pass. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever keeps and teaches them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees and Torah scholars, you shall never enter the kingdom of heaven!"
Yeshua is the most Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in all of history. He was blameless and without sin. He is G-d's Sacrificial Passover Lamb for all the sins of the World. He is The Son of G-d. I would listen to him.
Yeshua said your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more. He gives us chance after chance after chance. But he does expect us to step up and abide by Torah once we know the truth of salvation and our sins are forgiven. We are not to stay in sin but grow in righteousness.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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" I would listen to him."
Good. Fine.
Go do that somewhere else.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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Not to put to[o] fine a point on it, space noodle invisible sky god worshipper delusion addict, but nobody gives a flying f*#k what you think. Just sayin' pal.
With just a little polish spelling_wise, I think bvb is the strongest contender out there for VP (either Dem or Rep). Orale!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jim Brennan I'd respectfully say maybe try a little harder at getting in touch with yourownself.
You've continuously exhibited extreme bias against me and all Christianity on this forum as long as I've been here. So much so your emotions have led you to say things that are not even in accordance or even just flat out hate.. Even to the extent after your own retrospect you felt strongly enough to send me an apology via email. I only bring this up after reveiwing your last potty filled post. If people around here would only stop flinging crap at each other, and keep their disproval of a message and direct their crap flinging toward the message we all may be able to become better brothers and sisters!? Firstly, from your response I'm not even sure if you read my posts? Or maybe I just didn't articulate well enough for you to understand? Secondly, Cragman didn't really say anything with regards to the bible. And Thirdly, if you of all people want to point to the bible, please,PLEASE don't pick it apart to make it fit your minute understanding..
The Biblical thing to do is love your neighbour.
When Jesus referred to this one of only two Laws of the NT. There wasn't a period after neighbor. He actually said," Love your neighbor as I, Jesus, have also loved you." The significant difference here is between how "YOU" and Jesus define Love!
So the question of the day is; How do you define Love Jim Brennan???
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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There goes Cragman bein' all Christ-Like and stuff :)
BlueBlocker, better keep him in check, he's giving Christians a good name.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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No one cares about what offends you.
Well obviously you do if your Happy to ring my bell. And I think it's a good example of the negative energy in the world today to desecrate the Christian religion. But be assured I don't ignore what's put up on display for the public eye. I just wish you had the self worth to back up all the flaming arrows you let fly hiding behind a rock. Please show me the rage I've depicted, or what appalled me in this topic. Anotherwords, set down the bong, standup and be true to the facts!
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Jim Brennan: I have made it clear both socially and during work hours that anybody speaking on behalf of God or Jesus, doesn't have a clue because the speaker is being troubled by assumption.
What you’ve made clear is what you think.
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