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WBraun
climber
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People want to change that definition?
Mike it's called "Word Crafting" or "Word Juggling" and the oldest trick in the book.
The politicians (politards) and lawyers are experts at it.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Gnome you kind of lost me with your reply.
This I understand and can answer:
Do they define the game?
We all, collectively define the game whether directly or indirectly. It's only about us climbers because we are the only ones that care.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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SDawg,
A greenpoint is a send under the influence of the pot?, or so Ive heard.
A brownpoint would be a climb where one loses bodily functions due to fear?
Or is that a yellowpoint cuz ur a skeered?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2015 - 03:32pm PT
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Mike it's called "Word Crafting" or "Word Juggling" and the oldest trick in the book.
The politicians (politards) are experts at it.
Yup.
Or is that a yellowpoint cuz ur a skeered?
I thought a yellowpoint meant doing the approach, looking at the route and being too scared to attempt it.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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If you someone wants to speak a language that nobody else uses, to talk about stuff the vast majority don't care about, who am I to disagree?
roots: I've only climbed for 37 years, which isn't much, I agree (rgold has climbed one year more than I've lived). Even though I've never been much of a climber myself, I've had the pleasure of climbing with some of the best and I guess I do know something about what it means to climb (not much, but a little). I still try to get out a few days a week, weather and work/family responsibilities permitting. I'll be going out tomorrow and if I send something hard with the draws in place, I'll remember that it means a lot to some to say "pinkpoint" and not "redpoint" when all is said and done, even if it doesn't mean squat to me.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2015 - 03:44pm PT
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If you someone wants to speak a language that nobody else uses to talk about stuff the vast majority don't care about, who am I do to disagree?
We can agree on that. :)
If you ever come up north, shoot me a pm. I'll be glad to hold your rope.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Because if he hung em' in my eyes. It's a pinkpoint. Thus you present yourself as a self important and naive little bore.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2015 - 03:48pm PT
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Thus you present yourself as a self important and naive little bore.
And you present yourself as someone who is incapable of having a reasonable discussion on this forum.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2015 - 03:57pm PT
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Lol. Apparently i should be bullied into agreeing with his point of view...
Lol
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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I've said it a million times before:
Opinions are like peeholes. . .
Everyone's got one and you get a mouthful of fur when someone tries to shove theirs down your throat.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2015 - 03:58pm PT
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Apparently voicing ones opinion = shoving it down other people's throats?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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I thought a yellowpoint meant doing the approach, looking at the route and being too scared to attempt it.
AKA snaileye
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2015 - 05:13pm PT
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AKA snaileye
And i thought this was when you get scared while on route....
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Roots
Sorry family time and all,
The removal of large dinner plate size flakes from Martian Chronicles, or the arête on the formation, at Woodson, was reduced from a delicate climb up friable flakes to a jug haul.
that might be off a bit, but the full thread is easy to check.
We used to let the rock dictate where and how we climbed a given line or variation.
Sure we cleaned routes but we left the teaching moments that we have to thank for showing us to pull in the 'right' direction - down not out. A lost art in the days of plastic.
When I started climbing one did not pull anything off on purpose.
Climbs were still full of dangerous loose blocks. This started to change in the late seventies,
I think, when, in a lot of areas, traveling climbers were often the persons responsible for sending some long loved loose block to the dirt.
When and who took the 'baseball' out of Persistant? At Lost City, in the gunks.
The loose hand sized rock came out and went back in and had stayed put for thirty years before someone (Owen?) took it out and did not replace it.
I was from the school of;
Climb the friable corner avoiding the flakes stacked on the ledge, follow the right edge stepping past the death block, belay well away from this feature.
Today ;
Follow the line of chalked holds avoiding the large skull n' cross bones on the short,block,
Use the lower anchors if top ropeing.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2015 - 05:56pm PT
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When I started climbing one did not pull anything off on purpose.
Climbs were still full of dangerous loose blocks. This started to change in the late seventies,
I think, when, in a lot of areas, traveling climbers were often the persons responsible for sending some long loved loose block to the dirt.
Depends where you're from I guess. Round here everything needs to be cleaned before climbing can commence. Anything suspect usually gets a crowbar behind it before any climbing ever gets done.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Anything suspect usually gets a crowbar behind it before any climbing ever gets done.
Pink trundle if you are hanging off a preclipped draw. At Pinns you deal with all this sh#t ground up, no pre-cleaning.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Around here headpointing partially-retrobolted aid routes with pre-placed pro is called a trad FFA. Clearly, times they are a-changing, in that 'keeping-it-real' sort of way (apparently where 'real' just isn't what it once was).
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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honest question Big Mike: why do you care? [or is this purely a supertopo demographic pandering troll?]
just seems to me to be so purely and completely absurd to care about whether or not bolts have been pre-clipped once a person has already accepted hang-dogging, top-roped route working and most importantly permanent protection bolts under the accepted umbrella to which the term red-pointing applies...
ie. as we all understand, sport climbing is a game that often tries to eliminate concerns with safety, and all of the psychological elements of that aspect of the game that climbing originated in, so as to isolate and focus on purely physical rather than psychological climbing skills... not caring how a bolt was clipped is just [imo] the obvious philosophically satisfying end to that aspect of the particular game that sport climbing focuses on...
but good luck with your proselytizing... you've come to the one place that attracts a demographic, who have by and large never played the game that hard sport red pointing is about, but still think their opinions are somehow relevant to that game...
and so with nothing but love and rockets: this topic on this board is about as informative and enlightening as a discussion about "Does A5+ really exist?" on a bouldering board...
here's to another 500 posts! :)
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