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jonnyrig
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Walmart could be a front for DHS. Or they could be busting unions. Or their plumbing could be cheap chinese crap, like the rest of their products.
The military is conducting an exercise. It could be training for foreign combat. It could be training to thwart domestic terrorism. It could also be a test run for hostile takeovers of various portions of the united states when the gun nutz finally form a cohesive band driven by a particular consensus that they are finally willing to answer the question of when it becomes justified to start shooting at their own tyrannical government.
Inconsistencies abound, both in the reported facts surrounding these events and the interpretations of those watching and interpreting those inconsistently reported facts. Inconsistently at that, I might add.
The possible consequences range from nothing at all to complete and utter annihilation of the current United States government and our Constitution, depending on who you ask and whether or not they shop at Walmart.
In any case, Ron has given us a range of possible scenarios, and indicated his belief that these events are related; BUT at the same time acknowledging that they may, in fact, prove out to be nothing at all and completely irrelevant to each other. Simply his way of gently urging us to pay attention to our government.
That about right? Or am I waaay off?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Was Doc supposed to be me?
I said only one thing about the Bundy's, they are nothing more than tax avoiding welfare taking hypocritical redneck dumbfucs.
You would have to be an idiot to support these right wing extremists.
You support not paying grazing fees??? everyone else pays them, you either pay for cows to graze, or you keep them on your own land, that's the way it's always been, how can you fight capitalism. You can't have free things just because you're a belligerent a-hole with a posse. You will lose, it's the law.
He should go to Jail and the cows should be taken off the Gubmints land
oh ya I did say the Gov. should fly drones over their land to provoke them to shoot it down, just like we do to catch insurgents in Iraq.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The Conservatives put the wire tapping system into place, they gave the congress to the highest bidder, they let the Koch Brothers spend in $1 billion to influence our 2016 election
They created $18 Trillion in debt, they started 2 illegal wars, they are working behind the scenes to rig the system for the Corporations and the rich, and take away rights and wages from the rest of us.
Millions are spent to spread disinformation, they have think tanks with teams of psychologists researching how to manipulate minds, how to use religion and wedge issues, how to recruit suckers to vote for them, how to rig elections.. it's endless, they have every base covered.
The NWO are not mysterious at all, they are the Republican Party
They are pulling the strings.
Unfortunately people put them in charge, they just let the media turn them into right wing voters that have no clue what they are voting for, or what their party is doing.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I never lambasted you about the bill
I said that Obama had to sign it because it was the only bill offered to keep the Defense Dept funded.
It's not Obama's fault that the Republicans Wrote such a terrible bill, now is it?
What was Obama supposed to do?
Veto it????
Why won't the Republicans write a good Defense bill?
Why do they screw up everything? Can't they work to fix stuff?
Who put them in charge?
Not me.
The Republicans want to vote to renew the Patriot Act this June for 5 years,
who is going to stop them?
Not Republicans
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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Don't you have to be black to get into NWA? Or at least 1/2 black like Tiger Woods.
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jonnyrig
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That's fair Ron.
Honestly, without the sarcasm, I think the military is training for future combat. I don't think they're training for action against our own citizenry, I think they're using the resources available to them to carry out a large-scale exercise. If they were running it in a foreign country, then it would make sense to use those surroundings and dress some of their trainees in those civilian clothing. But they're not. They're here, and that answers the part of why they're dressing in our civilian clothing.
How do you train with your carry weapon? Do you just go out and shoot at some fixed targets and call it a day? Or do you work up some kind of realistic scenario that could play out on the street so you can be prepared? You ever practice weapon retention? Multiple targets? Targets at different distances and positions? Drawing from concealment? Tactical reloads? Tap rack mag switch? Train for what you expect, right?
Walmart, o Walmart. Facial recognition? Ok, I could maybe buy that. It's definitely a part of Facebook. Kinda goes up there with the govt collecting our phone records. I don't like it. I'm not going to do anything about it though,except maybe write my congressman at some point. Tunnels under Walmart used to house foreign troops and/or warfare supplies? No, sorry. I'm not buying it, even if there are a couple with existing subsurface excavation. I'm far more likely to buy into a Walmart conspiracy that says they're breaking labor unions, or just plain cheap as#@&%es working the system to maximize their profits. Now if every Walmart in the country mysteriously closed up overnight, well that might be slightly different in terms of wondering WTF. Still not sure I'd jump to the same conclusions indicated here and in the related google searches to Jade Helm.
We're not in so bad a shape in this country that we need to fear martial law. The signs just aren't there. There's nothing in it for us, for our govt, for our military.
Still, for its size, complexity, and logistics I think it bears a little scrutiny to watch the training op. Mainly for two reasons: 1. Are we training effectively? Do they accomplish what they're hoping? 2. Just how well DOES the military do when dealing with locals and/or the type of incidents that could occur during such a large-scope exercise? Not sinister plotting type of actions, but the normal oh-sh#t-someone-hit-a-yugo-with-a-humvee-at-starbucks kind of crap. It happens.
So there. It's interesting. Still not convinced it's nefarious.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Matthew 25
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Nations are responsible for their people, not family or friends
Our Government is responsible to take care of it's people as a tenant of every religious belief.
The Conservatives have co opted Christianity, they do the exact opposite of what Christianity teaches, enrich the rich, make the poor suffer more, taking away food stamps, shipping jobs to China, lying, stealing pensions, rigging elections, gluttonous greed, lowering wages so the CEO can collect more millions, bailing out the banks but screwing the home buyers, screwing students with high loan interest rates, wanting to get rid of pollution laws, wanting to get rid of SS, Medicare, medicaid!!!
What possible good have they done? the list of all the bad stuff they want to do is endless.
and you say the Dems are just as bad?? or the same??
are you blind??
It's not about the people, it's about the Party and their policies,
personal corruption has nothing to do with anything in the bigger picture, it's just a diversion.
The Dems want to protect the people, they want to provide for the general welfare of the people,
the Repubs don't care about the people, just the rich lobbyists with bribes of money
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Kill the Kaffirs!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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Hey when this thread hits 420 can we all take a smoke break?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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^^^ That would include most Republicans.
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thebravecowboy
climber
liberated libertine
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^ Bunkerville was definitely the turning of the tide, right, RA? HA!
Philo, dude, you need not be the moth to the flame here. It's a giant turd-flame, see below.
And as to quoting scripture, well, publication begets quotation, brizzle-dizzle. To exclude those from without of the club from interpreting THE book smacks of exclusivist, blinders-applied interpretation. Just sayin'.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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If the Government had nefarious and tyrannical intent there would be a lot of dead militants at Bunkerstan.
Instead the die hard faithful think they stood the Government forces down.
Meanwhile in America those armed insurgents are being charged with crimes one after another.
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thebravecowboy
climber
liberated libertine
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philo, WTF are we doing on this thread? You have stories to share, I have places to share....can't we all just....GTFO this thread?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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Now "we" are getting somewhere
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rmuir
Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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rmuir: utterly priceless.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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And only backed down at an armed force of citizens.
I wonder how that would have panned out if the cowards would have left the women and children out of the front lines?
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