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philo
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Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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Apr 30, 2015 - 01:29pm PT
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We need to know how to help and who can help.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 30, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
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Bump for Nepal.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 30, 2015 - 04:11pm PT
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Aftershock pattern indicates a WNW-trending, low angle thrust above 30 Km depth. Many aftershocks close to Kathmandu.
Initial model of the M 7.8 Nepal earthquake as may be seen by an Interferometric Synthetic Aperture (InSAR) spacecraft such as Sentinal-1 or ALOS-2 and GPS. The model is based on USGS mechanism of a near horizontal fault and the location of aftershocks. This image shows a synthetic interferogram for a descending pass of –168°, 24 cm wavelength, elevation of 40°. Fault is 11° dip striking 295°. Maximum displacement vector is about 2.3 m. Color wrap is 24 cm per fringe.
http://geo-gateway.org/main.html
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2015 - 04:39pm PT
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The Sengma Village appeal is just the kind of small NGO the government is taking funds from. I'm sure these guys will know that and hand carry the money to Nepal if they have to.
Oxfam has now published an editorial criticizing the Nepalese government for its attempt to take over all foreign aid so it seems they are trying to get money from the big organizations as well and direct everything when they can't even distribute drinking water in Kathmandu. One of the things the local Buddhist monks have been doing is renting tanker trucks and filling them with water to take to the various refugee camps.
There are also reports that food aid is being turned away at the Indian border and that tents and medicines are being taxed about 15% before being let into the country.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
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That is good news from Annapurna!
And in layman's terms, I've read that parts of India shifted ten feet to the north and that the area around Kathmandu was raised 3 feet and that Everest is now an inch shorter.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 30, 2015 - 04:49pm PT
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There are also reports that food aid is being turned away at the Indian border and that tents and medicines are being taxed about 15% before being let into the country.
Disgraceful. Profiting off people's suffering.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 30, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
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There are also reports that food aid is being turned away at the Indian border and that tents and medicines are being taxed about 15% before being let into the country.
That is a level of venality hard to comprehend. I wonder if the ex-Maoists
are engaging in this?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2015 - 05:00pm PT
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Once they got into power, their leaders were no different. However, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that in many of the villages it was Maoists who led relief works.
There is even a small contingent of Tibetan Muslims (yes they exist) who are distributing relief to villages around Kathmandu.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Apr 30, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
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This is an important thread. Thanks for starting it. It covers a pretty large spectrum of humankind of how they act and react as well as the physiology of our earth....and I use the word physiology on purpose.
Reilly and Jan's last two posts made me think once again, labeling people and counting them all the same in their labeled group doesn't always work. It's the individual and what they believe and how they respond. Muslim, Maoist, Christian, whatever, there are ones with hearts of kindness and there are those that are selfish, narrow in their beliefs and have no real love for their fellow humans.
Thinking of I Corinthians 13 right now. Perhaps one of the greatest pieces of literature on real love. A motto of my life, "no clanging bells", tho I fall short.
Still praying for Nepal and beginning to see some miracles. Peace, lynnie
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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Apr 30, 2015 - 06:40pm PT
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The ground is shaking bump.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2015 - 07:19pm PT
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We just got a memo from the Ministry of Finance who says no relief materials are taxed as Nepal has signed an agreement to that effect already in 2007. Therefore the people paying tax at the border and airport are being extorted by individual officials.
You are supposed to clear relief materials with the Chief District Officer of the area your materials are going to and he is supposed to give you a stamp indicating you did what you said you would and didn't just import them duty free for yourself or friends. Of course that provides another opportunity for a "special fee".
As you can see, laws on the books don't alter ancient practices and those trying to make a fair and just system are also frustrated.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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Apr 30, 2015 - 07:21pm PT
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This is despicable. There has to be a way under the circumstances to circumvent these horrid little officials.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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Give them counterfeit dollars? :)
P.S. Black humor is a Nepalese specialty.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2015 - 07:33pm PT
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There has to be a way under the circumstances to circumvent these horrid little officials.
You need a bigger Official to over ride the little official.
This kind of corruption is everywhere.
Hell when we were on the Niger river in Africa a govt. speedboat pulled us over and demanded extortion of money.
We had the bigger official in the boat with us.
He produced his credentials and the little officials immediately scrammed, lol.
In Columbia they hijacked half our crew for extortion.
Again we had the bigger official and they imediately realesed our crew.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Mexico City, D.F.
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Apr 30, 2015 - 08:30pm PT
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My mom was a Red Cross volunteer and said that always happens. The local politicos always steal as much of the aid as they can. A lot of the Red Cross aid gets dissipated like that. Need to develop countermeasures, such as, get some politician or military general to promise it won't happen, get his cell phone number, then when you encounter this problem, take pictures of the corrupt official, and hope your buddy answers the phone. Then when you get permission to pass, poke that guy hard in the chest and tell him you'll make sure he goes to jail. That should impress everyone.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2015 - 08:43pm PT
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Some of the best news to come out of this is how the Nepalese after being passive for centuries are taking things into their own hands despite the government and for the first time in history are reaching across tribal, ethnic and caste boundaries to do so. This might be the actual beginning of a unified country.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2015 - 10:24pm PT
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We had a World Food Project where 50 lb. bags of flour had to be carried on someone's back for three days. The porters claimed that they were held up in the forest and thus arrived at the warehouse empty handed. The same bags of flour were for sale in the bazaar the next day, all of them stamped, "Free Gift of the People of the United States". We had to hire armed guards to trek beside the porters.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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Apr 30, 2015 - 10:32pm PT
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Some of the best news to come out of this is how the Nepalese after being passive for centuries are taking things into their own hands despite the government and for the first time in history are reaching across tribal, ethnic and caste boundaries to do so. This might be the actual beginning of a unified country. Jan that is encouraging news. It is amazing that normally hostile countries are willing to work together for the common good. Now if only they were allowed to.
Werner do you suggest people contact the Embassies of their respective countries and ask that they intervene?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, werner... wow, thanks for the 'higher up' share...
kind of a 'check mate'... higher play, wins...
helps us folks to understand the powerplays...
thank you...
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