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crankster
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Oct 14, 2014 - 07:52am PT
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^^^^
Man, you gotta turn off The Fox and get a life.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 14, 2014 - 08:05am PT
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Oct 14, 2014 - 08:56am PT
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Regarding Ebola, from the WHO yesterday, they predict 10,000 more cases short term at the same time the fatality rate has gone up from about 50% to 70%.
Also on their website they have backed off on the 21 day incubation period. Now it says 1 to 21 days. They're not talking about mutation and air-born transmission yet but keep a close eye on their site.
Yesterday a spokesperson for WHO stated that Ebola has the potential to be the worst pandemic in the last 100 years (that would include the 1918 flu.)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 14, 2014 - 09:44am PT
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^^^That's why airline stocks tanked yesterday.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Oct 14, 2014 - 03:11pm PT
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Oct 14, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
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crankster
Trad climber
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Oct 14, 2014 - 07:05pm PT
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Republican gunNuts make sure there's no Surgeon General...
This weekend, Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) called for President Obama to nominate an Ebola "czar" to coordinate the US response to the virus.
There's a problem with that idea, though: We already have one.
Or, to put it more accurately, we already should. The Surgeon General, aka "the nation's doctor," is tasked with commanding the country's more than 6,800 federal public health researchers, nurses, and investigators, as well as serving as a key liaison to the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and global health groups like the World Health Organization. The man Obama nominated for the job back in November never got confirmed, however, thanks to controversy over his position on gun violence.
The Surgeon General would oversee the US Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, which include some of the people sent in to track down and contain dangerous viruses like Ebola. He or she would also work closely with US public health agencies like the NIH and the CDC to clearly communicate to the public and to healthcare workers information about new and emerging public health issues, such as Ebola. His or her role would be complex, but critical: Prepare healthcare workers to treat people with the virus while simultaneously educating the public to quell irrational fears about its spread.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/no-surgeon-general-during-ebola-in-us-2014-10#ixzz3GAwEKAUe
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 09:43am PT
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 17, 2014 - 11:20am PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 17, 2014 - 11:22am PT
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Tarzan...You're still on vacation...Or at least your brain is...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 17, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
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Treating ebola patients is like free soloing - there is no effective performance below 100% and 'good enough' just doesn't cut it.
But a lot of this is a matter of the post-WWII hubris and naivety for having 'conquered' the world, beat the Great Depression, gone to the Moon, and secured our role as a superpower we got a bit ahead of ourselves on the whole 'masters of the universe' thing:
1969, Surgeon General William Stewart, testifying before Congress, said that we could "close the book on infectious disease."
The result being, particularly with TB and Polio behind us, that we could and did defund and dismantle the public health system we'd built up during those years. And in the years following until today healthcare turned almost completely away from public health to private corporate employee health so today we and our government have little to no ability to directly influence, steer, realign, or commandeer today's health system in response to an emergency like this.
Likely we'll have to designate regional ebola centers rather than expect all hospitals to come up to speed on the protocols and that burden is more than likely to fall on public hospitals as the private systems will try to avoid the role at all cost. The issue there is the public hospitals like say, Cook County in Chicago, are already stressed to the breaking point let alone drop something like this into them.
Bottom line is that ebola really doesn't really mix well with a private, profit-driven healthcare system that makes it's money treating overweight corporate employees for heart disease, diabetes, and sleep apnea.
And it's also really funny to hear the far-right, libertarians and Tea Party folks in anguish about Obama and government's response to ebola - I thought they were all for 'smaller government' due to the fact individuals and businesses are just SO much more effective. But no, they suddenly want government to do this and government to do that after decades of gutting the very systems they now want an effective response from. Sigh...
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 03:13pm PT
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Just saw that Mexico and Belize would not let that Ebola Cruise ship
make a port call. 5000 tourists prevented from visiting the
shops on shore is a major economic hit to those economies.
Its cruising back to to the USA now.
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John M
climber
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Oct 17, 2014 - 03:19pm PT
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But no, they suddenly want government to do this and government to do that after decades of gutting the very systems they now want an effective response from. Sigh…
I would love to hear a reasoned response to this.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 17, 2014 - 04:11pm PT
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To start with the constitutionally mandated duty to protect the borders.
If the feds had been doing their job the first patient would have never got here. (and we wouldn't be dealing with dead children from enterovirus that came with the recent invasion of illegals)
If the CDC had been working on DESEASE CONTROL instead of 350k grants to study rabbit massage, bike path studies and all the other non germane activities that now constitute most of their efforts and consume most of their budget, maybe they'd be a bit more prepared and not making complete fools of themselves.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Oct 17, 2014 - 04:24pm PT
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Hey tgt, why don't you build a wall around yourself for protection since you abhor government intervention. Besides, some of us aren't afraid of the world, so don't fence us in.
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Oct 17, 2014 - 04:30pm PT
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You can't "seal" borders like all the gun-fetishists think you can and if you did these freaks would cry about the heavy hand of the government and impinging on their freedom or some other lame ass $hit.
Many people screeching about the borders and them being the source of all our problems believe the answer to very complex questions are really very simple. An example being, that "sealing the borders" will keep infectious disease out, which is applying a superficial, one dimensional solution to a much more complex problem. They are perpetually stuck in Mayberry while the rest of the world is dealing with reality.
The upside is that in some recent instances, the Ann Rander-es have had the opportunity to apply their Mayberry-esque ideas and the results are now playing out in the open.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/06/usa-kansas-ratings-idUSL2N0QC1MO20140806
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