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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 11, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
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Mar 11, 2014 - 11:42am PT
That happens by not approving pipelines that transport cheap oil. Currently there is so much oil in North America that the price per barrel is almost too low to make a profit, hence the offshore needs.
I really hate to be an ass, but that is a silly statement.
Oil prices are set on the world market. When oil prices go up on the NYMEX, they go up in Oklahoma, Texas, Montana, everywhere. The Keystone pipeline is such a small bleep on total world production that it won't budge price. It is just a slight change on how much oil we get from Canada vs. how much we get from Nigeria or other exporting nations, most of whom don't like us.
The Saudi's are the only ones with enough excess production capacity to move price. Exxon, Chevron, Shell, Statoil, all of the corporations are a fly on the ass of Saudi Arabia.
I keep urging you people to read The Prize. You will understand oil far better if you take the time to read that book.
One of the biggest problems is this "us and them" attitudes. There is no us vs. them. It is a closed loop, similar to cocaine production vs. cocaine use.
Or corn. Or copper. Or any other commodity. Oil markets are like any other commodity with one exception. It is the only commodity that we need just like air.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Mar 11, 2014 - 03:50pm PT
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"You must never have heard of "smart" development."
Which still uses oil and metals. Thanks for playing.
You are REALLY saying you prefer destroying some third world villagers' homes.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 11, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
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This whole hypocrite name calling was started by that guy, The Chief. He is a constant flamer and I urge you to ignore him and his insults.
This is a WE problem. The entire planet.
Right now my computer power is coming from the generation plant on a land drilling rig. That motor runs off of diesel. I don't use much power, but enough to plant me firmly into the "Hydrocarbon Man" group, which includes nearly the entire planet.
This is a big problem, and I don't think it will be solved in my lifetime. Bringing it to attention is important groundwork, though. Just don't go patting yourself on the back because you drive a hybrid yet.
Changing our energy consumption will be a huge problem, very expensive, and I don't think it will happen until oil becomes too expensive as it starts running out, which should begin in the next 20 years.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 11, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
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Holy Christ, somebody actually answered a reasonable question?
One more response, then I'll go. Who's it gonna be?
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Mar 11, 2014 - 04:24pm PT
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1. I work at one of the largest underground mines in the world. One of many emission and energy projects I have championed included driving and implementing a change to B50 biodiesel fuel. This reduced our fossil diesel consumption by 50% (2.0 million gallons since the switch), and reduced our mine emissions by 40%.
That pretty much knocks anything I have or could do at home out of the park by numerous orders of magnitude...
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 11, 2014 - 04:25pm PT
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Why do you bother, Chief??
You know, you don't believe in global warming, so why the need to keep your mileage down?
My commute is fifteen feet.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Mar 11, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
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Oil prices are set on the world market. When oil prices go up on the NYMEX, they go up in Oklahoma, Texas, Montana, everywhere.
But they arent getting world market prices are they, why? Alberta is claiming lost revenue in the billions due to this price difference.
Dave, its been shown over and over that oil on rail cars will not be reduced with a pipeline, it is going to stay the same regardless.
British Columbia: 93% all energy is clean, was supposed to be 98% until the current government took office
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
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Great Idea
List the top 5 to 10 things you've done to reduce your energy usage in the past decade. This can include switching to a higher mpg car, insulating, energy star appliances, adding solar, a change in driving/flying habits - go nuts!
#1 I became a vegetarian. I truly believe eating less meat or no meat can make a huge difference.
About 80 percent of the world’s farmland is used to support the meat and poultry industries, and much of that goes to growing animal feed. An efficient use of resources this is not. For example, a single pound of cooked beef, a family meal’s worth of hamburgers, requires 298 square feet of land, 27 pounds of feed, and 211 gallons of water.
Supplying meat not only devours resources but also creates waste. That same pound of hamburger requires more than 4,000 Btus of fossil-fuel energy to get to the dinner table; something has to power the tractors, feedlots, slaughterhouses, and trucks. That process, along with the methane the cows belch throughout their lives, contributes as much as 51 percent of all greenhouse gas produced in the world.
# 2 I did not have kids. If you must have one okay, but then if you want another, adopt one.
Too many people on this planet is the number one problem.
I know the economy is based on growth but we need to change! We are destroying the world with our Multitudes squeezing out all other species. The rapid loss of species we are seeing today is estimated by experts to be between 1,000 and 10,000 times higher than the natural extinction rate.
#3 I drive a car that gets 50 mpg. I try to carpool and combine trips.
#4 keep my thermostat low. Put on a sweater.
#5 recycle
#5 buy used items clothes, furniture, etc...
#6 ride my bike when possible
#7 use a swamp cooler
#8 turn off lights that are not in use
#9 try to buy local to use less things that are shipped here
10 keep tires inflated thanks Obama
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 11, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
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Nice, everybody! Ghandi/Christ Child approves!
We've established that
The Chief lives somewhere on the Martian Equator and
FortMental is poor as dirt
My list:
1) I live in a city. Optimized power, sewer, garbage, recycling, home delivery. My neighborhood has everything - I walk for what I need. The furthest store I go regularly 2 mi away. Urban density is the number one way to reduce per capita carbon footprint. The most fuel efficient Americans? Manhattan apartment dwellers. The least? Rural dwellers. 50x difference in per capita energy use between the two.
2) I live in a climate that does not require air conditioning. We all know that's eats the largest share of home power beyond water heating. Nuff said. The majority of power in my area is generated emission free.
3) I switched from a 22 mpg Subaru to a 36 mpg Scion iQ.
4) I installed my own high efficiency gas furnace (free from a local house slated for demo!) and my own on demand gas water heater.
5) Thermostat is set at 62 when home, 58 when not. The utilities report than I'm in the lowest 20% regarding power, gas, and water use.
6) I put in 200 sf of raised beds and planted 28 trees on my city lot. It's maxed. The tree provide natural air conditioning - huge difference.
7) I drive 6000 mi a year, not 12K to 15K (average American)
8) I insulated and weather stripped my house.
9) All my appliances are energy star rated, save the gas range.
10) I cancelled the clean green pickup. I compost all clippings, leaves and veggie food waste.
11) I don't fly much
12) I hang out with dirty, rotten conservatives on the innernutz.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 11, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
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Are you an indian Chief, Chief of d Po-lice, or Sky Chief, Chief? Sounds like the middle one if your making dirty, rotten, Prius drivin kids clean up dey butts.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 11, 2014 - 06:30pm PT
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1.Have bought less than a years worth of Gasoline in the last 14 years.
Part of a Biodiesel club that brews its own from waste veg oil.
Still waiting for my tdi motor to be rebuilt[more like pay for it all]to drop in my 87 vanagon.When on the road ,I know where to purchase b-85 and b-100 diesel.
2.Was off the grid completely until this past year,when I hooked to the grid,to sell back unused solar.Still have the batteries[which are highly recyclable]and the inverter.
3. Heat with wood in a catalytic reburning woodstove.Wood from my property,near carbon neutral.
4.Added a small Geo Thermal system with a solar powered heat exchanger/pump.
Just one zone,radiant, that has worked like a charm.1400 SQ. FT. home is near a micro house ,I built it ,it is super insulated and easy to heat.The system has cut my wood burning in half.
5.Use well water.
6.Have a raised bed septic system.
7.Landfill free,compost ,recycle completely.
8.Switched to buying USA MADE years ago.Almost everything,Ibex clothing,Omega Pacific climbing gear,even bicycles. Diligent at buying local.Food,sundries even BEER.
9.Ride bicycles a lot,commute 160 times a year,to either my carpentry jobs or to the bike shop where I work PT 6 months a year.
10.Do not cut my lawn,no snow blower,just one chain saw.
11.Part of a consortium of carpenter /builders that use a common shop space.Locally.
I have said it before,it is a bit of work,so it will not be very popular.
But,it is not living in a cave.All of my posts here have been solar powered.
Yep,I am a ecofreak,socialist,warmist,nazi,liberal,greeneck.
And after a hard day today ,I am going to chillax in a wood fired hot tub.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 11, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
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Philo,he is kidding.
Or at least I hope....ha.
Thanks DMT,but it is really not about me.
Cricket?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 11, 2014 - 08:44pm PT
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Just wait ,they are going to have plenty more names for you.
I think you know who they are ,......already.
Do you ever get to Vashon Island much?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 11, 2014 - 08:59pm PT
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I do about once a year. I gave a talk on Vashon for MLK Day on race and voting this year. That may become a regular event for me. You're on Vashon?
My favorite insult from ST so far has been pedophiliac nazi. The rest are standard fare available anywhere, but that one was pure poetry.
Yeah, there's a type that immediately self identifies. They try to parasitize any fresh meat that shows up, but when ignored they f*#k off soon enough and continue their search for a new host.
i've had one ST assualt threat already, too. Not a regular poster. He's on the watch for me in the Valley, apparently. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I'm 900 miles away. Now he has a purpose. Why spoil it?
Ivan and I got death threats from a Blackwater spec ops guy on another site - we just kept on having a laugh at his expense. It's really hard to threaten a wall climber with death and expect they're going to notice.
In the end I make some friends and no enemies - that mindset is a waste of energy.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 11, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
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Favorite,Carp,right on this thread.....lol.
Yeah,have a good friend at the end of a road on the west side of Vashon,spent a week there a few years back.
You have an incredible area up there,meaning Seattle in general,But that island is damn nice.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Mar 12, 2014 - 02:26pm PT
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I have done all I can to insure that petroleum moves in the most energy-efficient and safest manner possible.
;>)
John
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
san diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
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List the top 5 to 10 things you've done to reduce your energy usage in the past decade. This can include switching to a higher mpg car, insulating, energy star appliances, adding solar, a change in driving/flying habits - go nuts!
Let's hear some more!
This is the way to make changes!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 13, 2014 - 10:48pm PT
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Let's hear some more!
This is the way to make changes!
Quit climbing!
No more carbon spewing road trips!
No more evil petroleum dependent cordage, shoes and clothing!
Sit in your solar powered ultra efficient domicile.
Assume vegetative status until it produces the ultimate in carbon production reduction,
your early demise.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 13, 2014 - 10:48pm PT
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Man, the insults just rub me the wrong way. I have a wicked sense of humor and can rip my friends to shreds, but it is all in fun. People say things on the internet that would result in a physical pounding in person. I don't know why people act that way. You don't see it face to face.
Back to Hydrocarbon Man....
Right now our entire economy, aa well as the economies of the rest of the developed world, are still built around fossil fuels. No matter how much people crow about their low FF use, it is still a joke. Everything around you has been touched by FF's.
In my mind, the only thing that can be done is population control, which is not very likely to happen anytime soon, other than the Chinese.
"Ideocracy" is a hilarious movie. I was turned onto it by the evolution professor at OU, who is my next door neighbor. The premise is that smart people have fewer children than stupid people. I don't know how true that is, but Mormons sure have more kids than your typical white collar family with a working mom and dad.
Population addresses it directly.
The world's oil production is peaking, meaning that production capacity is peaking or has already peaked. That production rate still exceeds the consumption rate by an unknown amount. The Saudi's supposedly have excess production capacity, but at these prices, which are historically high, it seems like they would be going flat out.
Mother nature made only so much oil. We have produced most of it, and when it begins to get scarce, prices will finally skyrocket. When this happens, the window will finally open for many alternatives to be economically competitive. Oil markets do not respect borders, so the entire planet will have to deal with sky high prices.
Cheap oil is the only real reason that alternatives haven't been as successful as we would like.
Running out of oil is something that we aren't prepared for as a planet, but people will pay nigh anything for that last barrel of oil.
To sum up, we might see this in 20 or 30 years. We are already feeling it, but it won't hit home for good until then.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Mar 13, 2014 - 10:53pm PT
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Good to hear ,Base.
There is and will be a way forward.
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