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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 21, 2014 - 09:28am PT
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DPMS
the Eotech is an L3 did not find any other holographic sights that were paralex free and had a 1 moa dot. the next best I found was 2 moa dot
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
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Essentially what you have is a rifle with a scope.
The factors that a shooter compensates for are vertical drop over a given distance, and horizontal drift due to wind and atmospheric conditions.
The scope cannot sense wind at varying yardages between the muzzle and the target.
Even if the scope were capable of taking all environmental factors into consideration, the rifle must be pointed in exactly the proper direction at exactly the proper angle with no side to side cant at the moment the round is discharged, regardless of the trigger system.
For the rifle to "automatically" be able to shoot with the exaggerated precision envisioned in this thread it would require some sort of automated adjustable chassis system, similar to the self tracking mounts used by astronomers.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 21, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
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check out the FPS russia video. they aparently work?
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jan 21, 2014 - 03:37pm PT
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Future is now Speelyei. That smart rifle does all the stuff you said it
has to do. What gave you the impression it does not?
Well ok a shooter needs to hold up a pocket anemometer then click
in the mph wind value into the smart scope.
TrackingPoint is run by vets. You saying they are pulling a fast one?
Please explain.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Jan 21, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
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I shoot to 1k yds and beyond on a regular basis.
I shot against (not at) a tracking point shooter... I won.
Tracking point will eventually get there but it's not there yet.
My rifle scope cost is about $8500. Much less than a tracking point set up...
Jus'saying
EDIT: rifle and scope, not "rifle scope"
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skamoto
Mountain climber
coalinga ca
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Jan 21, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
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im all for guns, i think everyone should own one. you just have to be smart and responsible. a few months back one of my climbing partners had his gun in his room. his 5 yr old son is used to playing with air soft guns. they were playing a shooter game on tv on xbox i believe, long story short, the 5 year old ran into his room, grabbed what he thought was the air soft hand gun, ran into the room and shot the tv with a 22 hand gun. just wanted to play like his dad. i share this story to show that if your stupid and not responsible than guns can be very dangerous. but if your smart and responsible there no more harmful than driving a car smart. i own 12 guns and there all kept in a safe except for a handgun thats kept loaded by my bed in a finger print quick safe. i am not worried one bit about my son getting into danger with them as i am responsible with gun safety.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 21, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
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Sheesh, Ron, thats a sad story.
We had a case here of a mother in debt and fired who attempted a murder / suicide with her daughter. She botched her suicide and now sits in prison for her daughter's killing.
.22s kill more people only through their ubiquity (maybe that'll change now). They are a really bad choice though.
I went to the SHOT show for a day last week; was able to order a Swarovski 5-30 with a ranging reticle for my Les Baer SWAT monolith.
Apparently NightForce scopes are WAY backordered.
Pretty soon X-Products will have a 50rd drum for MP5s soon. Yahoo.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Jan 21, 2014 - 06:35pm PT
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Toker
You need to "see the light"... Once u use a Schmidt u will forget about NForce and all the others.
If u will be spending a prolonged time looking through the glass it's like a sofa for your eyes .
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2014 - 06:49pm PT
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dave729.
The scope can work the simple calculations needed for windage and elevation.
It doesn't aim or shoot the rifle. The rifle rests on a bipod and and the rear of the stock on a rest, the shooters hand, or a monopod. It just sits there. The barrel doesn't articulate, the rifle doesn't move itself.
If you are not on target, you're not on target. The bullet is committed to it's flight path once it leaves the muzzle. The rifle must be aimed accurately and precisely to get a hit. It's not "automatic". It doesn't replace the shooter. Even with their gizmo to reduce the chance of a jerked trigger pull, the rifle must still be aimed, steady, and on target.
I shoot at 1000yds + on a regular basis.
I'll give you a scenario, and you explain to me how the scope and rifle they show will overcome it:
You observe a basketball at 1,025 yards away. The terrain is relatively flat, and there is little wind to speak of. You lay down with the scope and rifle, your bipod is steady, the rifle is level without any side to side cant. You actuate the scope, and it automatically determines that for the atmospheric conditions, distance, and performance of your bullet it needs to adjust point of aim 416 inches vertically and 38 inches to the right to account for windage. You relax, you are very careful not to move the rifle... Just as you are about to touch the remote trigger button, the ball slowly rolls 6 feet to the left.
How will the scope deal with this independent of the shooter?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 21, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
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A little ditty I remember from basic training. "This is my rifle, this is my gun (appropriate gesture), this is for fighting, this is for fun (appropriate gesture).
Calling a rifle a gun was a big no no.
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Jan 21, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
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Also about that video... Every shot the camera seemed to come off target and start to point to the sky and then come back down to level. A compensated rifle would never do that, it would just push back. Seems kind of bogus.
Scott
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Jan 21, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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Barrett also makes BORS, at least I think that's what it's called. Like $5k or something
Scott
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Jan 21, 2014 - 11:47pm PT
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BORS is only $4800. with the rifle..
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Jan 21, 2014 - 11:51pm PT
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I made some really good vegetarian food tonight. And packed the .357 for the backroads, headed out chonder, y'know, into Landfill County.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 22, 2014 - 10:19am PT
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Ghoulwej, I don't recall Schmitt & Benders going for that much, more in the $3-4K range.
Regardless, I've had good results with Swarovski, and this one is running barely over wholesale and Les Baer is going to mount it and zero it.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Jan 22, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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Toker, I was quoting rifle and scope.
EDIT: If you want to save some $$$ off the Schmidt and still out pace the Swaro, take a look at the Vortex Razor HD. The new one they revealed at SHOT is nice. I picked up a few... But so far nothing will replace my Schmidts for spending extended time with my eye in the glass.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Jan 22, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
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Evel, The BORS... well, it sucks.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Jan 22, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Jan 22, 2014 - 02:00pm PT
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The Truth About Guns
BREAKING: Smith & Wesson M&P Pistols to Fall Off CA DOJ Approved List
January 21, 2014 at 13:08
Written by Robert Farago
Hot on the heels of Ruger’s announcement that it will allow all of its pistols to fall off the California Department Of Justice approved list, ending Ruger’s pistol sales in the Golden State, Smith & Wesson’s taking their M&P pistols off the menu. Guns Direct Facebook page let slip news of [what is in effect] a manufacturer boycott: “Attention: California gun owners. Smith & Wesson Corp. just informed us that all the M&P pistols will be falling off the Ca DOJ list of approved handguns in the next 60 days. So if your [sic] thinking about one, now is the time.” Ruger stopped sales claiming they could not satisfy the CA DOJ’s microstamping requirement. As of yet there’s no official statement from Smith. [h/t MV]
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