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raymond phule
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Nov 24, 2013 - 01:58am PT
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Subtract stopping distance from overall length then, and you will still see I am right. The comparable approach angles and time to go from descent to stably horizontal are no where near comparable. Like not even close. Look into it. Just look into it. Look into the host of the webpage too. Also, clearly we are talking about a commercial airliner here, not a cessna...nice try.
Sorry, I am not able to understand what you are trying to say and what you think that you are right about?
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WBraun
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Nov 24, 2013 - 01:58am PT
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There was Cord Meyer, the chief of Britain CIA office and he hated Kennedy.
Cord Meyer's wife Mary Meyer was hanging with Kennedy and they took acid.
After that Kennedy saw the light at the end of the tunnel and he suddenly turned towards peace, and started talking about complete disarmament.
She was later assassinated by the jackals also.
Kennedy talking about complete disarmament freaked all the war mongers and military contractors out prevalent at the time and even to this day those jackasses are still prevalent.
Thus it was time to "Take Him Out".
The plans were then set into action ........
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cintune
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The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Nov 24, 2013 - 09:15am PT
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 24, 2013 - 11:16am PT
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“He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It’s — it had to be some silly little Communist.”
— Jacqueline Kennedy, Nov. 22, 1963
She thought it robbed his death of any meaning. But a meaning would be quickly manufactured to serve a new politics. First, however, an inconvenient fact — Oswald — had to be expunged from the story. So, just 24 months after the assassination, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., the Kennedys’ kept historian, published a 1,000-page history of the 1,000-day presidency without mentioning the assassin.
The transformation of a murder by a marginal man into a killing by a sick culture began instantly — before Kennedy was buried. The afternoon of the assassination, Chief Justice Earl Warren ascribed Kennedy’s “martyrdom” to “the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots.” The next day, James Reston, the New York Times luminary, wrote in a front-page story that JFK was a victim of a “streak of violence in the American character,” especially of “the violence of the extremists on the right.”
Never mind that adjacent to Reston’s article was a Times report on Oswald’s communist convictions and associations.
Three days after the assassination, a Times editorial, “Spiral of Hate,” identified JFK’s killer as a “spirit”: The Times deplored “the shame all America must bear for the spirit of madness and hate that struck down” Kennedy. The editorialists were, presumably, immune to this spirit. The new liberalism-as-paternalism would be about correcting other people’s defects.
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The moral of liberalism’s explanation of Kennedy’s murder is that there is a human instinct to reject the fact that large events can have small, squalid causes; there is an intellectual itch to discern large hidden meanings in events. And political opportunism is perennial.
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crankster
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South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Nov 24, 2013 - 11:21am PT
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This threads proves the point that another thread points out: all climbers smoke weed. Really strong weed. I mean one inducing severe hallucinations.
How else to explain so many loony conspiracy believers?
911/Truther's, JFK conspiracy theorists - you need to seek a mental health professional. Schedule a series of sessions; at least a year for starters. You can do it. You can return to be a productive member of society. Do it for you, but mainly do it for the rest of us.
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 24, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
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The joke is on you. If the point you are measuring your distance from is moving, your distance is off, and thus so is your speed and your acceleration with it. Your right you could still measure the time it took the building to fall, since this does not require a point in space for reference, however all you could calculate from that would be the average speed for the whole event, not at all the acceleration at any point.
There is nothing magic about the "fixed point" you keep alluding to. We can see the top of the building as it falls--and we have another fixed point--the ground. We don't even need to measure the height of the building because we have that information from architectural drawings, etc. We can just as easily measure the acceleration at any point by how fast the building moves towards the ground--as we can measuring it moving away from a fixed point where the top of the building originally was. I'm sorry physics isn't your thing.
I also think it's hilarious that you seriously attempt to differentiate the JFK and 911 conspiracies from the fake moon landing or ancient aliens--they're all ridiculous BS.
Curt
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Nov 24, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Nov 24, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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Let's get back on track ST. Focus people.
Here Lee Harvey Oswald uses the "Jedi Mind Trick" or remote mind control or telepathy to remove the Secret Service from the JFK Presidential limo just moments before the assassination ...
Incredible isn't it how he could do all of that? Simply amazing. Wow. Blows my mind how he had those remote powers of the mind and then just moments before he pulled the trigger on a very inaccurate bolt action antiqued rifle with a sorry-@$$ functional cheap scope. And then he could barely shoot as a marksman in the Marines.
JFK - SECRET SERVICE ORDERS STAND DOWN - NO PROTECTION - HIGH TREASON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6OWcujJSCU
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x136109
No conspiracy, huh? So why, on November 22, 1963, were the Secret Service Agents charged with protecting President Kennedy’s back ordered off the bumper of his car? Unbelievable, but true. Check out Secret Service Agent Henry J. Rybka’s body language, who’s just been ORDERED off the car.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x136109
Agents Go On Record:
JFK DID NOT ORDER SECRET SERVICE OFF DALLAS LIMOUSINE
KENNEDY NEVER ORDERED SECURITY STAND-DOWN OR BUBBLE-TOP REMOVAL
PRESIDENTIAL SECURITY MYSTERIOUSLY "STRIPPED" AND OTHERWISE
COMPROMISED FOR FATAL MOTORCADE
SECRET SERVICE IGNORING OF ADVANCE WARNING OF THREATS DOCUMENTED
“HISTORY" CORRECTED 35 YEARS LATER BY PRIMARY SOURCES
by Vincent M. Palamara
EXCERPT…
THE RYBKA TAPE -- An important discovery was made by this correspondent during review of video of the Dallas trip shot by the ABC television affiliate in that city. During the start of the fatal motorcade at Love Field, Secret Service agent Henry J. Rybka begins to jog alongside the presidential limousine. He is immediately called back by his shift leader and commander of the follow-up car detail, Emory P. Roberts.
Rybka's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language: He throws up his arms several times before, during and after the follow-up car passes him. He was not being allowed to do his job -- and it was not JFK who was ordering the stand-down.
Despite the discovery by this correspondent of three reports to the contrary (two by Roberts) written on November 22, 1963, this newly discovered photographic evidence confirms that frustrated and vocal-in-his-objections Rybka did not enter the follow-up car and was left behind at the airport.
CONTINUED…
http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/limo.html
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Nov 24, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
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Do you Conspiracy Nuts think you make your case better by posting by volume?
You don't realize it just makes you look crazier? Weaker of mind?
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MisterE
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:59am PT
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RoksinJox is still here?
When you greasemonkey, you miss the true cataclysmic nature of on-line existence.
I want to watch it burn - it is fascinating in a detached way.
Does anyone else get the lesson?
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MisterE
climber
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Nov 25, 2013 - 02:07am PT
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Thank you, Jim.
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Rollover
climber
Gross Vegas
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Nov 25, 2013 - 10:54am PT
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Posner and Bugliosi have many valid points.
But they still can't explain away 50 witnesses who
were convinced shots came from the grassy knoll.
Over 100 people ran to the fence just after the shooting.
BS if you think that they merely heard echos.
Every single doctor from Parkland said Kennedy's throat wound
was one of entry.
The doctors there, also testified (post Warren Commission)
that the BACK of Kennedy's
head was missing a 4 1/2 inch section of brain matter.
Finally, BOTH the Zapruder and Nix films show Kennedy's head
snap violently toward the rear of the limo.
None of any of this means that shots came ONLY from the front,
Just that he was indeed hit from the front.
Witnesses and doctors and film apparently lie though.
Just ask Posner, Bugiosi, O'Reilly, Curt etc..
(None of whom were in Dallas that day of course.)
How can anyone disprove film evidence,
And over 50 witnesses?
How can the doctor's memories ALL be wrong?
Kennedy IMHO was indeed hit from the front..
He was also hit in the back.
There was no "magic bullet".
More than 1 gunman=conspiracy.
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Curt
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Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 25, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
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Posner and Bugliosi have many valid points.
But they still can't explain away 50 witnesses who
were convinced shots came from the grassy knoll.
Over 100 people ran to the fence just after the shooting.
BS if you think that they merely heard echos.
You don't believe in echoes? Interesting. All of the photos taken immediately at the time the shots were fired clearly show the secret service agents looking back and up at the Texas School Book Depository Building. Why? Because that's where the shots came from.
Every single doctor from Parkland said Kennedy's throat wound
was one of entry.
In fact, the Parkland doctors paid little attention to the neck wound and made a tracheotomy incision across it. They were focused on the massive head wound--trying to see if there was any chance to save Kennedy's life. Those same doctors also testified that they did not bother to turn Kennedy over--and if they had, they said they would have recognized the back wound as an entry wound and the neck wound as an exit wound.
The doctors there, also testified (post Warren Commission)
that the BACK of Kennedy's head was missing a 4 1/2 inch section of brain matter.
Although there is some inconsistency about what the doctors originally claimed, there is no doubt that the entrance wound to Kennedy's head was in the back.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm
Finally, BOTH the Zapruder and Nix films show Kennedy's head
snap violently toward the rear of the limo.
Yes. But only after Kennedy's head snapped violently FORWARD 2.3 inches, as it was hit by Oswald's fatal bullet from the back.
None of any of this means that shots came ONLY from the front,
Just that he was indeed hit from the front.
You should really think about the implications involved with this theory. If Kennedy's neck wound was an entrance wound (meaning an upward bullet trajectory) where could the shooter have been located to make that shot?--certainly not on the grassy knoll, which is significantly higher elevation than Elm Street. Also, where did that bullet then go?
Curt
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richross
Trad climber
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Nov 16, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
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While serving as chief analyst of military records at the Assassination Records Review Board in 1997, Douglas Horne discovered that the Zapruder Film was examined by the CIA's National Photographic Interpretation Center two days after the assassination of President Kennedy.
In this film, Horne interviews legendary NPIC photo interpreter Dino Brugioni, who speaks for the first time about another NPIC examination of the film the day after the assassination. Brugioni didn't know about the second examination and believes the Zapruder Film in the archives today is not the film he saw the day after the assassination.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dirtbag
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Nov 19, 2014 - 07:28am PT
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Definitely the illuminati.
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