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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
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In 1st world countries we understand this shit!
Yea, that's why we don't have single payer though 1st world countries do, eh?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:16pm PT
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Yea, that's why we don't have single payer though 1st world countries do, eh?
Well, yer real smart, huh? Ever wonder why the US is the #1 economy in the world and not Venezuela?
Ever wonder why China tries to model her Shitstorm after the US model? Because it sucks? The Chiners know what's up.
EDIT: Oh and how many foreign losers come here for care? Europe, Canada, Cuba...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
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Right Todd....regarding other first world countries we are an exception but certainly not exceptional in this area.....pathetic might be a better word.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
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Right Todd....regarding other first world countries we are an exception but certainly not exceptional in this area.....pathetic might be a better word.
Can we start denying foreigners healthcare now? Because we suck so much?
Can we just divert flights to Britain, Canada, or Venezuela? I hear they're awesome with their care!
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Blue,
Perhaps it would be more helpful in understanding your position if instead of telling us all how stupid we are, you could instead share with us how you define the criteria which underlie the statements you make.
I already made my point upthread to Donini!!!!! Pay..f*#king...attention!!!
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
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Well, yer real smart, huh? Ever wonder why the US is the #1 economy in the world and not Venezuela?
Is that really the most important criteria? Why is the US nowhere near the top of the list of countries with the highest standard of living, most satisfied (happiest) citizens, or overall quality of healthcare. Perhaps your priorities are a little whacked.
Curt
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
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Is that really the most important criteria? Why is the US nowhere near the top of the list of countries with the highest standard of living, most satisfied (happiest) citizens, or overall quality of healthcare. Perhaps your priorities are a little whacked.
Curt
Don't you find that question weird? Like it was intended to draw a certain answer?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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Curt
Don't you find that question weird? Like it was intended to draw a certain answer?
It's just that you insist on using Venezuela as your poster-child example of "socialism" instead of Denmark, Sweden or a number of other socialized democratic countries where the comparison would look quite different. That's all.
Curt
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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I did not think that comment to Donini answered the question I posed. Would you mind stating it again here. What is your criteria for determining what is and what is not appropriately in the public domain?
WTF are you talking about? Did we change topics?
Everything public, is public!
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
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Blu, the economy is doing great because it bleeds away the health and wages of a significant portion of its population to feed it growth.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
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Everything public, is public!
Is the general welfare of the population, public?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
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It's just that you insist on using Venezuela as your poster-child example of "socialism" instead of Denmark, Sweden or a number of other socialized democratic countries where the comparison would look quite different. That's all.
Curt
I brought this up earlier, but watch Northern Europe in the future. They are changing. Socialism has rotted them and they know it and feel it.
Just sayin'....
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
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dix look's like donini is the leader of these drum circle hippies.
in england ur put on a list.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
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I brought this up earlier, but watch Northern Europe in the future. They are changing. Socialism has rotted them and they know it and feel it.
Just sayin'....
It's true that some Northern European countries are running budget deficits--but so are we. I fail to see how spending 9% of GDP on healthcare (as they do) as opposed to 18% (as we do) is a factor contributing to their relative budget problems.
Curt
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
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Blue,
I pose the concept that healthcare is appropriately something which should l fall in the public domain - the same category as police protection, education, public roads, etc. I infer that you disagree. It would seem (from your rather colorful language) that you do not feel universal health care is appropriately in this realm. So again I ask you - what is your criteria for making this determination?
Have you read the Constitution AND the Bill Of Rights?
Stop telling mr about police and fire-dep'ts and f*#king ambulances! That is ALL a function of the State, not the Federal gov't!
The Federal Gov't has only very small Constitutional duties. Healthcare IS NOT ONE OF THEm!!!
If the States CHOOSE to do that, that is their prerogative. They are not obliged.
Do you understand that the Fed is not tasked with your Health Insurance?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 17, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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Where does the Federal Government get its power from?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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F*#k you!
The answer is that you fail to see my point that FED has no business in the education, energy, or healthcare laws. They can regulate, but THEY CANNOT MANDATE!!!!
Understand?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 17, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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Warbler,
Do you see a distinction between "promote" and "provide" ?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 17, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
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Now, promote or provide has turned into force and coercion.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 17, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
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donini please nuke this thread the kool aid has got us all f*#kd up!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 17, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
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I like how Chaz comes into the tent, and says everything i meant, but spewed with salty language....
Thanks Chaz. You Asshole....hehe....Emergency+4!
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