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Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
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Oct 30, 2013 - 11:46am PT
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J. Hansen.
Various things can cause off heading openings.
PC occilation ( causing a double pendulum)
Body position
Brake setting being off (Deep brakes / shallow brakes)
Line set different length
Wind
Throw the PC too hard
It's the unknown when you exit. There are so many variables beyond a jumpers control on opening
There is a jumper here who might tell the story who had " the perfect pack job " ...... he had a gnarly 180
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AbeFrohman
Trad climber
new york, NY
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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Been a long time since I posted.
Get well fast dude! Eat some sausage. Does a body good.
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AlanDoak
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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You've got a huge heart Ammon, you're one of the most enthusiastic and supportive people I ever met in the Valley scene.
Best wishes on a speedy and complete recovery.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Oct 30, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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Ammon, my son wants to be you when he grows up...stay strong, heal up, lean on those many friends you seem to have...god bless, the future is unwritten...
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
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So I guess this is the new HTFU video.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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A lingering question remains, though. What's on that go pro before the aftermath scene? Didn't you get a video of the jump itself?
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Oct 30, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
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104 is an expert about everything regarding modern BASE jumping...
This is an inside joke. I am from the dark ages. A lot of things are still the same, though. I am way out of the modern scene, though.
Hank also likes to jump low objects. There just isn't time to deal with much of a problem at that altitude. The canopy rides can be super short.
I never had an object strike, but came close a couple of times. Anything spinning, such as a blown break line, takes a full second to realize. he would have had to cut the other one loose and use the risers, or one riser and one toggle. There just isn't enough time when you pull low. Object strikes can happen to anyone, depending on how overhung the object is. Hank still has the top all time object strike story in BASE.
I always preferred the long delays to the short ones.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 30, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
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Only the one living it can decide that. There is validity in pushing it knowing the odds are not in your favor forever and validity in going for the long haul.
YER GUNNA DIE. Are you gunna live? The balance of that equation is for the each to decide. The right answer is different for us all. Try not to have too many regrets.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 30, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
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Yer buddy left an amazing legacy behind Ron. In it's way an inheritance for his family that is hard to match in REAL value.
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Ottawa Doug
Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
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Oct 30, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
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Holy $hit. I know that I'm not tough enough to look at the video, so I won't, BUT I am wishing you all the best Ammon. Heal fast and heal well.
You are always psyching everyone else up for their adventures as you have done for me in the past. Now is the time to use that psyche on yourself. Wishing you all the best bro.
Cheers,
Doug
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 30, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
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hey there say...
since the cat is out of the bag...
i think it is okay to share this...
ammon had surgery today, so keep him in your prayers...
and send out best wishes, etc...
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thetennisguy
Mountain climber
Yuba City, CA
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Oct 30, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
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Hope you recover quickly Ammon! I'm glad you are in good spirits. You are in our thoughts and prayers.
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T R
climber
Ca.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 07:41pm PT
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Holy sheit!!! GNARLY!! You are one Bad Ass Mofo. I hope your leg heals well, Ammon. -Ted
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Oct 30, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
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Ammon you have my respect and admiration. Hang tough!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 30, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
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Dang!
Ammon, you have inspired me and I have followed your exploits. Sorry to hear about this one, but could have been much worse. You will persevere and come back tougher and stronger I predict. Hang in there brother!
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Oct 30, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
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Studly,
Follow in his footsteps, but learn, learn, learn. BASE is something that has always been handed down directly from a better jumper.
My post earlier about the shorter, slider down jumps, like some of the ones around Moab, is that they are more dangerous....and by far the most common type of jump in the U.S., where the government feels it has to protect you from yourself. With the modern, BASE specific gear now, accidents are pretty damn rare even in Moab, where it is legal on the BLM side of the river.
Hankster, Ammon, hell even my fat old ass, could jump El Cap 500 times each without incident. Half Dome is even safer if you know the secret exit point. You open high and a blown break line would have only been a nuisance. At 200 feet, sometimes there isn't time to fix a problem. On the super tall terminal velocity jump, even a shitty track puts you 300 feet from the wall. It boggles my mind that people have actually struck El Cap. These were people who had no business being there.
The proxy flying wingsuit guys are dying almost every week in Europe right now. It has grown, and for any type of terminal jump that involves flying your body, even a simple track of half dome in your shorts, requires a certain minimum skill level. I highly advise skydiving constantly through your BASE career. You will learn more, and it will make things much safer.
I know most of the incidents in the U.S. (the older ones usually personally) and it is quite safe with modern gear and experience. You choose the risk you take. You know the object and you know how to do it. Yeah, there are things that can happen, but they are limited and known. Parachutes just "don't open" like most lay news stories say.
The wingsuiters are really pushing it, and this second generation of them are dying a lot by buzzing next to the object or flying ten feet off of the ground. They scout out these lines and get them wired, but from what I know about wingsuiting, it does take skill.
Chris Mac should chime in here. He was in on the first wave of wingsuiters.
I didn't know that Ammon spent 38 days in lockup after his second El Cap arrest. Dude! Go do Half Dome! They never catch anyone up there!
It is really too bad that a basic, well regulated form of jumping isn't allowed in the valley. It is stupid. It will never stop, and all the rules do is make it riskier. I've listened in on a couple of stake outs, and they spent many rangers hunting down a misdemeanor. I think that they should concentrate on drunk driving check points.
Ammon, the guy has the right kind of mind. He can handle anything. Good thing he didn't get recruited by the CIA to be a hit man or something.
BASE hurts nobody. Period.
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wesleystupar
Trad climber
Glendora
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
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[The second time, yes there was a second bust, they took my gear without the option of "buying" it back,]
How is that legal? What was their justification for confiscating your kit? Its not like the kit itself is illegal. Don't they have to give it back at some point in the future (even if it is the way distant future)?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
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BASE hurts nobody. Period.
You sure about that?
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jnaftzger
Social climber
Berkeley
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
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Ammon heal fast and well.
I signed up for skydiving when the gun thugs in Yosemite tased you in the neck. Jumping this weekend!
A ship in the harbour is safe, but that's not why ships are built.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
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Watched the vid, several times, and couldn't help but think, "Evidently, he ain't got no duct tape with him." Cuz, everybody knows that ya can, temporarily, stick anything back together with duct tape. Ya cudda patched that puppy up and been on yer way in no time. I mean, every wall rat, bitd, carried a roll of it with them up on the big stone. Dunno, but I suspected that base peeps would also. And you being a wall rat and a base peep,
and no duct tape...what up with that, brah?!?
For instance, what happens if ya get a tear in yer canopy after it opens, and its getting bigger and bigger by the second, and yer only half way down? (cud happen, eh)
Answer: DUCT TAPE!!!
And I can hear all the Taco noobs saying, "How are ya gonna get the duct tape up on the canopy, ya dumb shit?"
Answer: CHEAT STICK!!! (obviously, duh).
Regardless, get well soon, bro!
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