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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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+1 ... the me-christ has spoken.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Why not just leave the Peruvians alone for fuk sakes? Ain't your country, ain't your home, ain't your land, certainly ain't your back yard campground... so fuk off and leave them be!
Exactly... if we have all our people back, then leave 'em alone.
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OR
Trad climber
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Been folowing this from early on at another site. It has been a lightning rod for criticism. The $$$ thing is funny.....they will have more now then before they started. Hope they are safe though.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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I think this story checks out. Three outdoorsy types from America think South America is an extension of BLM land and pack their truck like they would for the creek, minus the climbing gear, and go for a drive. Down in Peru they drive into cartel country with a history of animosity towards Americans, set up camp on someone's field, the locals come asking questions, saw some shiny gear, some bad decisions were made and a horrifying tale results. Traumatized from the experience the three make some further bad decisions in telling their tale and now everyone comes out of the woodwork to:
a: beat their chest about their own third world experiences
b: chastise them for flaunting their money
c: call a conspiracy because weird acts of violence should always be predictable and follow a certain pattern.
d: once in a while say something interesting and offer condolences.
Reading their blog, yes they do come across as naive and mildly entitled but so what.
Three months ago a very good friend of mine and one of the most kind hearted genuine people I have ever met, waited his turn (out of five people, four women) to be beaten, stabbed to death, and set on fire in a Denver bar by three young men looking for money to feed their families. I miss him a lot and cannot get over the horror of his last night on earth and how he didn't deserve this in any way. I saw many of the same arguments about racial and class differences presented here in this thread on the various news sites. But thing was Ross was an incredible human being who didn't deserve to die. I see alot of similarities in these two cases in very different countries. This sort of violence is never justified, ever, those who advocate it or suggest that this is in any way justified are pathetic.
-Patrick
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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I don't think anyone ever said that kind of violence was justified.
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jstan
climber
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My brother went to Peru some thirty years ago. He could not say enough good things about the people. I wonder what it must be like now for those people, to live in a state where mobs are not unknown. They don't have anywhere else to go.
I think we in the US do not appreciate that with which we are dealing when people in the US adopt a mob mentality. They are not thinking for themselves.
It goes on here.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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A little perspective:
Peru is the world's No. 2 producer of copper behind Chile and mining has been central to its recent economic boom, accounting for more than 60 percent of export income. But the environmental costs have had a negative social impact.
Fearing water supplies could be diminished or contaminated, residents of the bordering state of Cajamarca continue to resist a $5 billion gold mining project that would be Peru's largest. The dispute has triggered violence that killed five civilians last month and prompted Peru's government to impose a state of emergency that suspended civil liberties in three provinces. That emergency was extended Friday for another 30 days.
Cerro de Pasco
Anti-mine-owners
Antamina
In 2011, Antamina earned US$ 3,384.3 million making them the most profitable mining operation in Peru.
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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After seeing those stitches, I think we should set up a Paypal account for Hank.
Is that pic. La Arroya?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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deserves re-posting as it is racist and wrong from every angle - anybody want to rip this apart?
Here you go:
http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=4923
Oddly, and purely coincidently, it seems I prefer to avoid countries combining low IQ and high T.
Totally f'n racist...
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John M
climber
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After reading the facebook entries, it is apparent that the writer is almost illiterate
Which is why I question if it really came from this guy. His blog posts sound a lot different.
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Gilroy
Social climber
Boulderado
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You're a hoot, JLP. Peru isn't even listed under the penis size tables.
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John M
climber
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the blogs are well written thanks to the very nice girl friend that is traveling with him..
you can prove this? Or you know something?
I'm just curious because you seem very certain. I would like to know how you know this.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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What seems a bit odd to me about this whole thing is the solicitation to the general public for donations from the three victims. What ever happened to calling up your family and close friends and asking for them to loan you some money, etc. to help you get through this difficult time? Why is there a need to make a plea to the general public?
Also, besides being able to help you out financially, would you be looking to your family and friends for emotional support?
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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As I understand it the original solicitation for money was done by either friends or family in an effort to help, not by the victims. The original report of what happened was written by one of the victims as a filing for the police, thus the list of items presumably stolen. Not sure if that list is still there in the report but apparently it has been saved here on the eternal Taco.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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After seeing those stitches, I think we should set up a Paypal account for Hank.
Hank seems fine... But after reading Patrick Sawyer's posts i think he could really use some help.... It seems like if anyone needs it, it's him.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Well, if the victims didn't ask for the money, based on their blog posts, they are certainly spending it. Again, why is there a need to ask the public for donations? Why can't their friends and family be the ones to help out?
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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an ignorant, selfish bitch
Really?? No, Really? Please, let me get down on one knee and bow to oh Riley who obviously knows everything about this situation even though he's only read as much on the internet.
Lighten up, dude. You throw a whole shitload of negative, armchair conjecture onto a situation you know almost nothing about. Why so hateful? Why not chill and wait to see what more info comes out before making unfounded conclusions?
an ignorant, selfish bitch ?? Seriously. WTF?
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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No one anywhere deserves to get waylaid just because they took a wrong turn and ended up surrounded by a bunch of illiterate, poor, pseudo-nationalistic in the moment red necks looking for an easy mark.
For the record one’s genetic heritage, socioeconomic status, or perceived injustice to one’s nationalistic bent or imaginary cultural heritage doesn’t excuse sh#tty behavior to people who are just trying to get down the road.
Yeah I get it; random violence and injustice happens the world over every hour, every minute and probably every second of the day in this mean old world. Still I would let someone kick my teeth and humiliate my wife and sister for $100,000. I doubt there’s a price I’d take for that kind of humble of pie.
For the record, with my first look at this story; I felt schadenfreude: An attractive young couple and their attractive sister(in-law) were living the dream in naïve bliss and the world came and took it away from them: Boo fuking hoo; babes in wilderness; it’s the third world baby and the wolves are at the fuking door. Thinking about that smugness that I had at someone’s misfortune; I worry about me, because it sprang from a defiled imagination - that they are young, good-looking, and living a dream while I’m old, not good looking, and beating the same old ground. Envy isn’t a good way to live, but enough about me and on to the TacoTards......
The race baiting on the thread by the wonder bread boys is pathetic; good to see the gringo term busted out in case of emergency. The game of moral equivalence gets a quick work out with some vague imagining about lost travelers of color getting riled by a mob of southern white red necks in rural Alabama. Maybe fifty years ago; but not today; not now. Then comes the cry to the injustice that is Laos; a war that ended in 1975; before these people who were mugged were even born.
Next up is the boogie man that is the USA-Illuminati-CIA war on drugs. Whatever. Cocaine is about a millimeter more respectable than methamphetamine and there both a complete waste of time and ruins people’s lives. Next up is the evil that is American and Anglo transnational mining companies that follows in the 500 year of traditions of Spain and Portugal; but with a better local cut – same as it ever was.
Not to be forgotten is a old icon who over the course of five years on this site I’ve seen write on the Taco about health and car hours of darkness and seen friends respond in that time of need; now begrudge and questioning the young and bearers of good skin getting some rapid coin on the internet.
My bottom line in this whole deal is my world view and that is that modernity is everywhere and its herald is television. Whatever anyone’s imagined cultural equivalence scale is about skin tones and imaginary heritages; these 3 Americans didn’t throw the first stone. The sh#tty behavior is with the illiterate modern village mob and that should be pointed out.
Undoubtedly the bear spray didn’t help, but really if someone is throwing fuking rocks at you, what are ya going to do? When the sh#t turn south it appears that you are all fuking brilliant? Should’ve, would’ve, and could’ve. The blogging thing and social media I don’t understand. I do know that I would rather go through life without that humiliation of seeing my wife and sister seeing me getting the sh#t kicked out of me, but that may be my particular singular male point of view.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Who of those commenting were there?
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John M
climber
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Mercy Riley.. what is up? Lately you don't like anything anyone has posted.
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