Does the NRA have a stupid pill problem?

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Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Dec 24, 2012 - 03:45pm PT

As a sportsman, I've never understood the concept of needing a gun that was semi-auto in nature. Just blasting away, hoping to hit SOMETHING.

Someone wants to hunt, bolt action rifles tend to be more accurate. And powerful. I think that's why snipers favor them.

Spraying weapons don't seem sporting to me.

For home defense, shotguns seem optimal. I understand that most incidents of firing rarely involve more than 10 feet. For people who are not practicing weekly, which is almost everyone not in law enforcement or competition, shotguns take a lot of mis-aim out of the equation.

Serious background checks that cannot be gotten around, should be the order of the day.

Josh Nash

Social climber

riverbank ca

Dec 24, 2012 - 04:04pm PT

+1 for common sense and basically how I have felt and have tried to articulate but a lot of people don't see it that way.
I'd like to point out hand grenades. How many people have been slaughtered by hand grenades? You know why? Illegal and not available for public consumption. It works when something inherently dangerous is banned. so why not assault style weapons. There's absolutely no need for them. I spent five years of my life carrying one around for uncle sam and his marine corps. I know the need. I know the need in a combat situation. Since we don't live in a combat situation here stateside I don't really get it. A lot of my friends feel differently and it makes me sad.

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Dec 24, 2012 - 04:37pm PT

The thing with banning grenades or mega clips for that matter...

If they are illegal, at least the criminals can get in trouble if they are found with the contraband. If they are legal, you can drive around with them in your trunk and the police can't do squat if they catch you but not red handed, even on the way to a crime

peace

Karl

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Dec 24, 2012 - 04:45pm PT

Ron, you're missing Karl's point entirely.

Go read some literature, the classics. It'll help adjust your perspective by learning trends in how people think.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Dec 24, 2012 - 07:41pm PT

The cradle of gun making link in that article was written by a gumby who referred to the ".45 semi-automatic Colt Peacemaker".

WTF!

But it is true that CT has always been big on gun making.

Mimi

climber

Dec 24, 2012 - 08:19pm PT

Dirk, think about it this way. We have armed guards at banks, malls, jewelry stores, high-end schools where politicians and celebrities kids go, art museums, etc. etc. Are not all children worth protecting this way? I guess regular kids don't rate. These are good jobs.

We will never stop a madman from killing. Take all the guns away. Won't change that. Especially in a gun free zone for crying out loud!

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Dec 24, 2012 - 08:56pm PT

Do you have kids in school?

Mimi, like most of the places you mentioned, there are no armed guards at banks any more. When was the last time, other than armored car pick ups and deliveries, that you saw armed guards at a bank? It is the 21st century they use cameras now.
Proven to be a far better deterrent. Arguing to arm our schools because there are also guns in all these places is a charade. A sick and perverse fools game.

It would cost BILLIONS to put just one armed person in every school in America. It would be better to put the BILLIONS into education. Lord knows the Republicans have cut school districts budgets to the bone. First line of defense is public education.

Mimi

climber

Dec 24, 2012 - 09:22pm PT

Bruce, you are too evolved. We live in a world of savages. I say if we continue to expand government as we are, this job category is a worthy one.

Philo, get rid of a chunk of TSA and we can protect our schools and other public and undefended places. Government waste could be much better spent in this way.

Didn't know that about Columbine. Not an expert in mass shootings. I'm sure much was learned about proper reaction to this type of attack.

Mimi

climber

Dec 24, 2012 - 09:26pm PT

What is gun culture? I believe you may have a skewed view not based on facts with all due respect.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Dec 24, 2012 - 09:34pm PT

You will never stop a determined, intelligent, otherwise f*#king psychotic killer. If you don't fix the root of the problem you waste time and divide an already divided country even deeper. We can fix the problem but there is a lot of money riding on nobody asking those questions.

The problem of this new crop of mass killers is different than that of "gun control".

But few seem to understand that or have the capacity to focus on root issues. They see a "bad guy with a gun" and run off onto the gun control tangent, never to return.

If Adam Lanza had crashed a Mobil tanker into the school and burned 200 or maybe hacked 9 little kids to death with a machete, would that make anyone feel safer? Dead is dead...

Trying to compare Israel to this country is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Coming in second are comparisons to England.

Stop paying attention to the NRA or whatever the Black Jesus puppet comes up with. Think for yourselves.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Dec 24, 2012 - 09:49pm PT

Well could somebody from the ANTI-gun culture please define "assault weapon"?

Isn't it a redundant phrase?

Not all guns are used in assaults. Do we call all spoons in prison "assault spoons"?

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Dec 24, 2012 - 09:59pm PT

Ron did you skip Hooked on Phonics and go straight to Stuck on Semantics?

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Dec 24, 2012 - 10:00pm PT

Toker, check with the Feds, CA and MA. They have no problem defining what an assault weapon is.

Good news for you. There's plenty to quibble about.

Adults sometimes have to draw lines in grey areas. It's part of being a grown-up.

Mimi

climber

Dec 24, 2012 - 10:03pm PT

Bruce, my issue with gun culture as a label is that most gun owners are responsible and don't commit crimes, hence, it's a negative label.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Dec 24, 2012 - 10:05pm PT

Perhaps the "responsible" gun owners should be more proactive in controlling access to weapons of mass murder.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Dec 24, 2012 - 10:29pm PT

They have no problem defining what an assault weapon is.

Wrong again there monotone.
What they do is list makes and models based on how badass they look.

Not a very good way to distinguish when you consider that Mini 14s were not included even though, had they been produced a mere 5 years earlier, they would likely have become our service rifle rather than the M16.

Gas operated high capacity box feed* Garand style carbine that fired the essentially the same cartridge.

*(I do have a beta-mag for one)

So requesting a clear definition based on functional features rather than badassery seems reasonable to me

I said "reasonable" as in common ground,...

monolith

climber

albany,ca

Dec 24, 2012 - 10:29pm PT

I knew you would quibble.

All those gun experts in ATF and elsewhere would be put to shame in a discussion with you.

There is discussion of features in the bans as well as identifying by model.

Do you need a link to the CA list?