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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 28, 2015 - 10:53am PT
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the US have made the farming of corn in Mexico uneconomic.
Think it's more of a moral issue. Turning corn into fuel has drove the price to where the poor can't even afford tortillas.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 28, 2015 - 12:19pm PT
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increasingly we are finding that the presence of corn products in all of our foods is having unfortunate health effects.
The root to these unfortunate health effects isn't the corn itself. Its what science is doing with it in their manipulation of the cells. Lets be fair in giving credit where credit is due :)
In the contemporary process, corn (maize) is milled to produces corn starch and an "acid-enzyme" process is used in which the corn starch solution is acidified to begin breaking up the existing carbohydrates, and then enzymes are added to further metabolize the starch and convert the resulting sugars to fructose.[18]:808-813 The first enzyme added is alpha-amylase which turns breaks the long chains down into shorter sugar chains – oligosaccharides. Glucoamylase is mixed in and converts them to glucose; the resulting solution is filtered to remove protein, then using activated carbon, and then demineralized using Ion-exchange resins. The purified solution is then run over immobilized xylose isomerase, which turns the sugars to ~50–52% glucose with some unconverted oligosaccharides, and 42% fructose (HFCS 42), and again demineralized and again purified using activated carbon. Some is processed into HFCS 90 by liquid chromatography, then mixed with HFCS 42 to form HFCS 55. The enzymes used in the process are made by microbial fermentation.[16]:20-22[18]:808-813 wiki
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 28, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
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^^^
All of the processes and enzymes mentioned above are naturally occurring in the human body except for the filtering, which all done with inert materials
Lets be fair in giving credit where credit is due. The problem is that people just eat too god damn much.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 28, 2015 - 12:29pm PT
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yeah but like that of hydrodgenated oils, the process is done at 900deg. which essentially turns corn,soybeans, etc to poison which the body can't relate;(
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 28, 2015 - 02:49pm PT
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...to poison which the body can't relate I'm an organic chemist. San Jose State University class of 1983.
Please describe the process and poisons which you describe. Specific formulas to back up your claim.
Please.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jun 28, 2015 - 02:51pm PT
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High fructose corn syrup = poison
Dont need to be a chemist to figure that one out!
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 28, 2015 - 03:19pm PT
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High fructose corn syrup = sugar
Nothing more, nothing less.
Water will kill you if you drink too much of it. Does that mean water is poison?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 28, 2015 - 03:19pm PT
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from Scientific American,
In November 2013 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration made the welcome, belated determination that partially hydrogenated oils—the primary source of trans fats—could no longer be “generally regarded as safe.” At press time, the ruling is preliminary but expected to become permanent. If it does, it will virtually eliminate industrially produced trans fats in the U.S, saving thousands of lives every year, with minimal cost to industry.
It's well documented that these heat altered oils are primary to the causes of heart disease, strokes, blood clotting, high blood pressure, etc, etc.
i have seen the science that shows the chemical breakdown that happens when these vegestable's are cooked at very high heat, and why the body is nolonger able to break them down. but i cant find it this minute.
On the other end of the spectrum, Extra virgin olive oil is cold processed and is very good for the body, as is avacodo oil:)
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 28, 2015 - 03:21pm PT
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It's well documented ...
Thank you for that insightful prose. I agree with what you said.
But I asked you about sugars and you're telling me about fats. Their chemistry is dissimilar.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jun 28, 2015 - 03:46pm PT
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 28, 2015 - 09:06pm PT
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HFCS and regular sugar are very similar, 64 or so on hte glycemic index. There are sweeteners that are much lower on the glycemic index (lower is better). Agave nectar comes in at 15
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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BLUEBLOCR, I enjoyed those videos. But they didn't address your statement about how processing HFCS makes "poisons."
The videos did, however, confirm my previous statement, that HFCS isn't bad for you. What is bad for you is eating too god damn much sugar.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Bullsh#t. Big difference between eating honey and high fructose corn syrup. So in that vein, you think no real difference between GMO's and real food either? Well then load up on that sh#t. Pesticide can't hurt you either, so why eat organic for that matter.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, your beloved leader is selling us down the river:
TISA Exposed: 'Holy Grail' of Leaks Reveals Detailed Plot for Corporate Takeover
Fifty-two-nation Trade in Services Agreement uses trade regulations 'as a smokescreen to limit citizen rights'
Referencing the Trade Promotion Authority bill signed by President Barack Obama on Monday—which will allow Obama to ram the TISA, TPP, and TTIP through Congress with minimal input from lawmakers—Cohen added: "Today's leaks...reveal once again how dangerous Fast Track authority is when it comes to protecting citizen rights vs. corporate rights. This TISA text again favors privatization over public services, limits governmental action on issues ranging from safety to the environment using trade as a smokescreen to limit citizen rights... TISA is as big a blow to our rights and freedom as the Trans Pacific Partnership and in both cases our governments secrecy is the key enabler."
This is very serious stuff...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I don't think this President can "ram" anything through this Congress, k-man.
John
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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John,
Normally I would say you're right, Obama can't ram anything through congress.
Except this time, when this is exactly what the corporate-owned GOP wants.
Remember, for Fast-Track, it was the Dems who needed to be courted.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The TPP has not passed, it has only passed fast track
They needed this to pass first to finish the work on the trade bill.
It will come up again for a pass or fail vote,
maybe by then, we won't have a Republican Congress that will sell this Nation out.
There is No way this would pass if we had 51 Democratic Senators and a majority in the House; this bill is a Republican gift from God, and the President just got sucked into the scam by his corporate Conservative advisors.
Unless!
It is actually a good bill, and we just haven't read the good parts yet.
But like any other Republican scam, you have to pass it first to see what's in it.
Vote all Republicans out, they have sold us out and have nothing but more destruction of our Country for profit.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Unless!
It is actually a good bill, and we just haven't read the good parts yet.
Why do I feel that if there were "good parts," they would have published those for us to see?
Why all the secrecy?
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dirtbag
climber
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Normally negotiations for anything in government are secret until the final product is ready for review.
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