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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 28, 2019 - 12:28pm PT
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Our healthcare system will never be truly 'fixed' until the profit motive that is intrinsic to the insurance industry is completely removed.
Again, 80/20 rule, the best part of ACA, addressed this. Your statement is therefore ignorant.
Agree it's whack-a-mole until the whole system is reigned in. The reason insurance is expensive is because what the insurance has to pay for has gone to the moon with absolutely no cost controls other than - the insurance company - who absolutely everyone in the healthcare industry and including Trump would love for you to remove the ACA cost and profit caps on.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 28, 2019 - 12:30pm PT
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Rand Paul is going to Canada for surgery. The level of hypocrasy is staggering.
Smart countries understand having a healthy population is way more important than corporate greed.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 28, 2019 - 01:04pm PT
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Rand Paul is going to Canada for surgery. The level of hypocrisy is staggering.
Rand Paul voted against repealing Obamacare.
How is he guilty of staggering hypocrisy?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 28, 2019 - 02:06pm PT
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EDT, I was wrong. Even though he is an outspoken critic of socialized medicine, he can afford private a private hospital in Canada.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 28, 2019 - 02:49pm PT
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JLP, I was actually referring to an idealized system where a law like the ACA would not be necessary.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 28, 2019 - 03:38pm PT
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McConnell to Trump: Health care’s all yours
The Senate majority leader signaled in an interview that he’s more interested in taking on Democrats than jumping into a divisive debate within his own party.
By BURGESS EVERETT 03/28/2019 05:46 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/28/mcconnell-health-care-trump-1242865
Mitch McConnell has no intention of leading President Donald Trump’s campaign to transform the GOP into the “party of health care.”
“I look forward to seeing what the president is proposing and what he can work out with the speaker,” McConnell said in a brief interview Thursday, adding, “I am focusing on stopping the ‘Democrats’ Medicare for none’ scheme.”
The Senate majority leader spent untold weeks and months on the party’s health care quagmire in 2017, when the GOP controlled both the House and the Senate and still failed to repeal Obamacare. The episode caused endless headaches for Republicans as their replacement plan fell apart first, followed by the so-called “skinny” plan they slapped together at the last minute.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 28, 2019 - 06:39pm PT
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McConnel the consumate weasle .
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 28, 2019 - 07:11pm PT
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Well, you gotta give the guy credit for knowing what will work, and what won’t.
He’s also moving closer to changing Senate rules (‘nuclear option’) to allow easier confirmation of lower court justices.
I hate what he’s done and the way he’s subverted the process, but he has got sh#t done. Meanwhile, the Dems keep playing by the old rules, thinking being on the ‘high road’ will somehow get them what they want. Dems would be lucky to have someone as ‘outside the box’ as McConnell.
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dirtbag
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Mar 28, 2019 - 07:26pm PT
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I hate what he’s done and the way he’s subverted the process, but he has got sh#t done. Meanwhile, the Dems keep playing by the old rules, thinking being on the ‘high road’ will somehow get them what they want. Dems would be lucky to have someone as ‘outside the box’ as McConnell.
110%
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Mar 29, 2019 - 12:18am PT
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MEANWHILE in 'Murica....
...the Republicans rant about how Canada's universal healthcare system is the work of the devil, and Canadians are flocking across the border by the millions to get surgery done in the GREAT USA...
...And Republican big-dog Paul Rand is going to Ontario, CANADA, to get elective surgery (rather than have surgery in the USA) because CANADA "has the best surgical centers in the world."
And if that ain't bad enough, stooooopid Refuknicans still worship these GOP charlatans.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 29, 2019 - 03:59am PT
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“Financially,I didn’t feel a thing”
Probably because they gave you OxyContin,oh wait ,that’s in
‘Murica.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 29, 2019 - 07:48am PT
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Jim Brennan:
I just had a consultation with a doctor of my choice and an X-Ray of my back. The monthly premium for the medical service is $ 37.50 which will be phased out at the end of 2019. 50% of my yearly income tax pays for my enfranchisement with universal healthcare for Canadian citizens. Jim Brennan, so far I had a perception that it was not universal, but provincial level healthcare plans (with noticeably different rules in different provinces).
Also I had a perception that citizenship was not a requirement for this "free" healthcare.
Being a legal resident is required for enrollment into provincial plans.
Also, similar to the US, free healthcare is provided even for illegal aliens in case of emergency.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 29, 2019 - 07:58am PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat:
...And Republican big-dog Paul Rand is going to Ontario, CANADA, to get elective surgery (rather than have surgery in the USA) because CANADA "has the best surgical centers in the world." Sierra Ledge Rat, you've got too much exposure to Michael Moore.
It's a common knowledge that typically US major hospitals are better than the best Canadian hospitals.
You can Google yourself for a list of the best world medical centers.
You would not see even a single Canadian hospital near the top of these lists.
However in case of Paul Rand (I do not have a link and just describe my recollection), he needed a hernia surgery, and Toronto Shouldice(?) hospital is the only hospital in the world (?) specializing in these types of surgeries.
Unfortunately, this is just an exception.
When I needed a surgery, my son tried to convince me to go to Cleveland.
Another option was to go to Far East.
I am still not sure that my decision to stay in Toronto was the best one (I had too many after-surgery complications here).
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Hungry
Trad climber
flagstaff, AZ
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Mar 29, 2019 - 08:08am PT
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As much as I prefer free market solutions generally, they just don't work when the market is dysfunctional, as is the case with the individual payer health insurance market in the US. The Affordable Care Act didn't fix that market. Although it does help some who are harmed by that market failure, it makes things more expensive all around and sustains the for profit insurance system. Talented people will choose to work for organizations that can provide insurance rather than trying to run their own small businesses when they can't get insurance on their own. Unfortunately, a lot of the people who have gained the experience, knowledge and enough capital to start a little business are in their 50s and have medical issues that make going without health insurance problematic. Big business doesn't want competition from little guys, so they are OK with the system as it is.
I don't know if a functional, competitive individual payer insurance market is possible without breaking up the for profit employer paid health insurance system, which seems unlikely.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 29, 2019 - 08:12am PT
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Anyone who believes in small business should be all for basic universal, single-payer healthcare and, really, it would be a boon for corporations to be relieved of that pressure.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 29, 2019 - 09:23am PT
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^^^
Yeah, go figure, right?
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 29, 2019 - 02:32pm PT
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Jim Brennan:
Yury, I said nothing about it being free. On average, roughly 50% of a Canadian’s personal income tax is spent on public health care totaling 11.3 % overall of national GDP. Jim Brennan, I also said nothing about it being free in my second comment. In my first comment I put "free" in quotation marks.
My main point is that Americans often do not understand the difference between quality of health care in Canada and in the US.
My guestimates are:
 top 50% (who have money or group insurance) and bottom 10% (who have no money at all) of the population is better with the US system.
people with income a bit below average are better with Canadian system.
You can't have something for nothing and free cheese is not universally available.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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2 Republican AGs urge court to throw out Obamacare ruling
By PAUL DEMKO 04/01/2019 05:12 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/01/court-obamacare-ruling-1246915
Republican attorneys general in Ohio and Montana are opposing a federal judge’s ruling that the entire Affordable Care Act should be thrown out, breaking with the Trump administration's recent decision to support the ruling.
In a brief filed in federal appeals court Monday, the attorneys general argue a federal judge erred in concluding that Obamacare must be struck down because law's individual mandate is unconstitutional and cannot be severed from the rest of the law. Though the two attorneys general oppose the requirement to purchase coverage, they say they rest of the law should be allowed to stand, and they warn there could be negative consequences for millions of their residents if the judge's decision is upheld.
This isn’t going to go smoothly, is it? Whose idea was this, anyway?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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I saw my primary care doctor for a routine appointment. The only test he needed was a routine urinalysis. It was sent out to a private lab, and the results were totally normal.
Let me tell you how a routine urinalysis is done. You purchase a bottle of 100 test strips for about $15. Anyone can buy a bottle on Amazon. Each test strip has about a dozen indicators. You dip a test strip into the urine, and then compare the color of each indicator on the strip to a color chart on the side of the bottle.
We have not met our annual deductible, so I received a bill from the lab for the full price of the routine urinalysis.
The bill: $950
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On another matter, I am self-employed and almost 60 years old. I have to buy my own health insurance. My only medical problem is knee arthritis, and I don't take any meds.
Guess my monthly premium.
Self employed
Almost 60 years old
And the cheapest health insurance that I can obtain is......
$3,700 per month, with a $15,000 annual dedictible.
Any one who says that our health care system is fine, I say "F*#k you."
P.S. Not an April Fool's joke. Just my personal nightmare.
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