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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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this thread needs pictures
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Saint Harding in Camp4 parking lot, 1968ish?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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I guess U would have to not care where U came from to believe In evilution. Come on kids something from nothing, provoke by what? What's the idea? Lightning hit grass and turned into a worm. A
A million years later it decided it needed a brain another million to figure out how to build an eye. Again from nothing? Then another million to grow into a fish. And then, and then and then. What a JOKE!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
And U find it hard to believe the Bible? With eye witnesses!
SHOW ME SOME PROOF!
Jus Laffin
BB
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P.Rob
Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
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the implication that Feynman was religious is certainly incorrect... Dr. Ed,
I do not believe that is Schaeffer’s contention, rather the implication is that it is a false dichotomy to say you cannot be a person of faith and a person of science
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P.Rob
Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
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http://fixed-point.org/index.php/video/35-full-length/164-the-dawkins-lennox-debate
One of a number of debates between Professor Richard Dawkins & Professor John Lennox. For those unfamiliar here is a quick bio from Prof. Lennox web site
John Lennox is Professor of Mathematics in the University of Oxford, Fellow in Mathematics and the Philosophy of Science, and Pastoral Advisor at Green Templeton College, Oxford. He is also an adjunct Lecturer at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford University and at the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics and is a Senior Fellow of the Trinity Forum. In addition, he teaches for the Oxford Strategic Leadership Programme at the Executive Education Centre, Said Business School, Oxford University.
http://johnlennox.org/
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Reed101
Trad climber
CA
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Born Atheist will stay that way.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I guess U would have to not care where U came from to believe In evilution. Come on kids something from nothing, provoke by what? What's the idea? Lightning hit grass and turned into a worm. A
A million years later it decided it needed a brain another million to figure out how to build an eye. Again from nothing? Then another million to grow into a fish. And then, and then and then. What a JOKE!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
And U find it hard to believe the Bible? With eye witnesses!
SHOW ME SOME PROOF!
Jus Laffin
BB
is this a troll, some kind of joke post?
written by a retarded grade schooler?
must be, no high school kid who passed basic biology could be even this ignorant
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Andree Hussar
Social climber
ny
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John 17
" Father, the time has come.
Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you....that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ , whom you have sent.
I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.
And now, Father , glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Many like the atheistic life.
The US is increasingly portrayed as a hotbed of religious fervour. Yet in the homeland of ostentatiously religious politicians such as Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry, agnostics and atheists are actually part of one of the fastest-growing demographics in the US: the godless. Far from being in thrall to its religious leaders, the US is in fact becoming a more secular country, some experts say. "It has never been better to be a free-thinker or an agnostic in America," says Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the FFRF.
The exact number of faithless is unclear. One study by the Pew Research Centre puts them at about 12% of the population, but another by the Institute for the Study of Secularism in Society and Culture at Trinity College in Hartford puts that figure at around 20%.
Most experts agree that the number of secular Americans has probably doubled in the past three decades – growing especially fast among the young. It is thought to be the fastest-growing major "religious" demographic in the country. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/01/atheism-america-religious-right
The actions of most Republican leaders shows that they're closet athetists, too, whatever their rhetoric and public performances.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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apologies to the guardian, but most experts do not agree that america is becoming more atheistic.
religiosity is changing. that's not the same as going away.
becoming more "secular" isn't the same thing as becoming less religiously conservative. in the 1960s, confessional divides mattered more than they do now. fundamentalist protestants and strict catholics kept strictly apart. one's religious devotion or identification was measured by confessional allegiance, denomination, and then frequency of church attendance.
today, that's very different-- one's christian devotion tends to be measured by "secular" criteria, namely one's positions on "secular" issues like abortion, gay marriage, prayer in schools, vouchers, etc. rather than one's position on the theological questions that used to send nations to war. technically speaking, the most conservative christians in america today are more "secular" than were the christian conservatives of the 1920s. as a result, they are much more politically active and open about asserting what they see as 'christian" values in the public sphere.
i can easily believe the total population of atheists is one of the fastest growing subcultures in america. pretty soon there may be seven hundred of them.
seriously, that article is a well-meaning swing and a miss by yet another brit/northern european observer mystified by american religiosity and hoping for the best.
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P.Rob
Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
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A thought on morality:
If we say there is evil in the world, than by extension this assumes goodness
If we assume goodness there is also morality
If we have “morality” the implication is we have a moral law giver
If we have no moral law giver than there is no moral law
If there is no moral law than there is no good
If there is no good than by extension there is no evil
So why do I need a moral law giver?
Morality has no value unless there is something transcendent that it gives it value.
Without this attachment there is no greater good, no enlightened self interest – that would be brainwashing.
What is left – and many an honest atheist concedes to the fact – is that morality is an arbitrary false social paradigm enforced upon us, just another way for the Fittest to have their way to control the masses. The truly liberated states a big “F.U” to anything other than his desire and predilections. Up comes the rise of the Ubermensch
“What is good?- All that heightens the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself in man”
Friedrich Nietzche
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jfs
Trad climber
Upper Leftish
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HFCS,
Let's talk it out...
HFCS: No, let's not.
Take your questions to the Christian thread. There you can talk about the blood of Christ and the Holy Trio to your soul's content. This thread's a celebration of the athiest life.
Meanwhile...over on that OTHER thread...that "Christian thread"...
HFCS: Also, if you want to believe in a way that's beyond the purview of reason, then of course that's your business. But don't expect others to leave it at that. Others want to participate; they don't want to withdraw, to bail. Culture wars are afoot, much of them have to do with religion and bs beliefs about how the world works
Ok. Carry on.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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jfs, still taking pot shots from far left field just like last year, huh? Another beleaguered Christian, I feel sorry for you guys, wish you could adapt, for your own good. As Dr. F pointed out, it's all chit-chat, just for fun, no rules, no standards; even if you believe in resurrection and ascension, just like your 11th century ancestors, you can post here, it's all legit, so have at it.
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jfs
Trad climber
Upper Leftish
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ha! far left field, eh? ok, that's accurate at least some of the time.
i didn't notice that i was beleaguered. i'll keep an eye out from now on. sounds like i should with all these atheists runnin' around the place...y'all just might get outta hand.
i just notice things...parallels and similarities...contradictions...from time to time when i stumble into these threads. sometimes i like to point them out. can't help it really. knee jerk...
you can take me however you like. i've got no say in that. =)
maybe i'll stumble back into this thread in another year and take another pot shot. ya just never know. you might be so lucky.
cheerio. no ill will intended.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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jfs, hey it's all in good fun, all that matters is that we're both kickass climbers, lol. Till next year or whenever, take care and climb hard!
P.S. Hope you're voting for Obama :)
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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What on earth would compel someone to quote from their book of jewish zombie fairy tales, in a thread discussing atheism, as if A) people even bother to read said fairy tale quotes and B) that fairy tale quotes are some kind of authority?
It's gobsmacking idiocy...addressing a group who value rational, logic based, scientific arguments with Grimm Bros in a yarmulke
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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^^^ prollie for the same reason atheist post their lame azz vids over on the other thread, eh?
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P.Rob
Social climber
Pacomia, Ca - Y Que?
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Uh, no. Did anyone here say that? I said something like it's a cultural construct, because it is. The rest you are making up (and trying to sound clever) because you have no other way to rebut.
Buncha BS.
1) Did not say nor imply that anyone said that.
2) Among the many components of "the Debate" are the problems of good & evil and the genesis of Morality.
You still haven't dealt with my contention - A – theism has to work real hard to address these issues.
Clever – really? Not my intention – but you still stand on a slippery slope in defense of morality outside of a transcendent Moral law giver. Just admit that when distilled down the ideas of good and evil are arbitrary “cultural constructs”
I subscribe to Cartman-ism: I do what I want!
proves my point
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