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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:25am PT
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those doctors are entitled to their opinions
their concern appears to be that they will choose to be busier because they will choose
to accept more patients from the new law
and thus they personally don't trust themselves to give a good care to more patients
its up to them
NOBODY, and nothing in the law, requires or orders ANY doctor to accept new patients
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:28am PT
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What gimp said.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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i wonder what ted nuthead has to say?
he must be crappin his pants, again,
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:40am PT
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ksolem posted 9 out of 10 doctors would not recommend pursuing a career in health care.
60% of doctors think Obamacare will lower the quality of patient care.
The survey is from Feb, 2012.
That survey is a voluntary survey by "The Doctors" liability insurance group, likely of doctors insured by their group, most of whom are in business for themselves. Attitudes about healthcare reform vary widely from people in private practice and those who work for large groups and hospitals. A survey such as this is going to get far, far different results than if you actually performed a randomized survey of physicians nationwide.
Also note that 77% of the respondents were over the age of 50. Those are largely people who started med school back in the days where doctors just printed money by charging Medicare whatever they felt like for whatever they felt like doing. And people wonder why healthcare got so expensive.
I can tell you that there were collective cheers from physicians on my floor today as well as the physicians at the hospital that my sister works at.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:40am PT
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60% of doctors think Obamacare will lower the quality of patient care.
Really?
From The New Republic:
...The American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American College of Surgeons, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Society of Anesthesiologists, the American Osteopathic Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American College of Cardiology all endorsed last year’s health reform. These groups represent hundreds of thousands of physicians across a wide range of medical sub-specialties.
A key reason for these endorsements was the widespread recognition that our current health care system works poorly from the perspective of both physicians and patients – and the understanding that the new law was an important step in building a more effective health care system.
Curt
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 29, 2012 - 01:22am PT
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I can tell you that there were collective cheers from physicians on my floor today as well as the physicians at the hospital that my sister works at.
Yes. Doctors who work in groups and therefore are on floors, as you say, have a different take on this than doctors in private practice. Of course that is clearly defined in the study I linked.
I think that the proof will be in the pudding, which will be about ten or fifteen years down the road. But I'll say it one more time. Climbers, of all people, who for the most part live active lives and are not prone to the common diseases like obesity and diabetes tend to need other types of medical care as they age. Shoulders and knees and hips wear out. Injuries happen. In health care terms outdoor athletes are the 1%, and average obese Americans are the 99%. Give that some thought. Resources will be limited and it is very likely that the decision about your treatment options will not be up to you.
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nature
climber
SoSlo, CO
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Jun 29, 2012 - 01:33am PT
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Flouride +3
bwahahahahaha!
ACA will look a lot different in 10 years. this is just the start. As our President said today it will change and improve where needed.
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Jun 29, 2012 - 09:33am PT
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Resources will be limited and it is very likely that the decision about your treatment options will not be up to you.
Kris, you don't need to wait 15 years for that, it's our current system. Healthcare decisions are being made by accountants. The Death Panels are already here, and they are not run by the government.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jun 29, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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Seems like we're willing to spend Billions of dollars to kill Brown Skin People for Oil, but not a penny on our own Multi Colored population. Yes the system will crash if we take care of our own, everybody must pay. Does anybody really believe that crap? Kinda like women and black folk being to stupid to vote or be givin the same rights as others, people believed this too. Looks like a bunch of old white dudes realizing that their own end is near, sad really.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 29, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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Seems like we're willing to spend Billions of dollars to kill Brown Skin People for Oil, but not a penny on our own Multi Colored population.
Exactly, we're being ruled by fear and led like sheep.
If we don't wake up and shake up we're going down the tubes
peace
karl
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 29, 2012 - 11:38am PT
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Fatty is living proof that we don't spend enough on schools
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jun 29, 2012 - 11:42am PT
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We spend plenty of pennies on schools, welfare and the prison system.
This is in response to Bull's comments about multicolored people.
I guess we know exactly now what Fatty thinks of multicolored people.
Thanks for the clarification.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jun 29, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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why do libs hate dirtbaggers so much?
you do realize, don't you, this law will effectively end the dirtbag lifestyle? how are dirtbaggers going to pay for their health insurance? how are dirtbaggers going to fight the irs--now, working for private health insurers?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jun 29, 2012 - 11:58am PT
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Dirtbaggers are only in the cash and trade economy. The irs can't touch them.
But like Chaz says below, they will get vouchers. Sounds like good news for dirtbaggers.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 29, 2012 - 11:59am PT
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Norton says the Government will be sending out vouchers, or something.
Dirtbaggers can use these vouchers to buy healthcare from one of the Government *exchanges*.
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
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just putting a dent in the mountain of paperwork behind the admitting desk which warms the conservatives heart
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
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Man you Conservatives are frightened little penises.
LOOK OUT, it's WILLIE HORTON he's right behind you!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
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bookworm, have you actually read the provisions of the law?
If one chooses not to purchase insurance, you will be penalized via an additional tax that is based on one's income (this is why Roberts chose to consider the law under Congress's taxation powers).
The amount is relatively small- as a matter of fact, this was a major sticking point in getting the insurance industry on board with the law- they felt that it was too small to create any great incentive to get insurance.
Just to entertain your silly comment, even if a dirtbagger chooses not to insure, the amount would be so minimal that it's not gonna create any kind of hurdle to the dirtbagging lifestyle. After all, xx% of zero is still zero.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 29, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
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Norton says the Government will be sending out vouchers, or something.
Dirtbaggers can use these vouchers to buy healthcare from one of the Government *exchanges*.
this is essentially correct
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