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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
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bump for crimpy!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:17pm PT
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Prod gets a spanking next time I see him. BTW, saw you on the roof across the street today. Can't believe you didn't blow off! (87 mph winds today).
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
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The problem is that a bunch of people told LEB that her opinion, and it was just an opinion, was way off base and that she was stupid.
Why bother to tell her? Why bother to post about her post at all? I don't step in crap when I see it in the street, I walk around it.
Most of my posts get ignored. I may be on a script/list or just write stupid stuff but being ignored makes me less likely to post a second time on any thread.
The really offensive types really would go away if some intelligent person didn't constantly respond to them with a "Your stupid and your mother is ugly" type of comment. It's those insulting replies that are the real damage to a thread, not the original jackass foil-hat comment that showed up first.
Dave
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jstan
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:29pm PT
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+1 on Rector's post. Non response is important.
And, Dave, I read your stuff.
John
Edit:
In my hurry to nail down a spot close to your post, I neglected to say something.
Thank you for your posting.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:30pm PT
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+1 on Rector's post. Non response is important.
And, Dave, I read your stuff.
+1
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 22, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
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The problem is that a bunch of people told Lois that her opinion, and it was just an opinion, was way off base and that she was stupid.
She'd make one post stating her opinion and ten people would gang up on her, peppering her with posts attacking her personally. And they'd say it was her fault that they were ganging up on her. And if she responded to them (and she always did) they'd just redouble their efforts.
Did you see the movie Carrie?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Remember how the "popular" students all ganged up on Carrie because she was different and did their very best to humiliate her and make her life a living hell?
There are quite a few posters on Supertopo who made hobby out of doing this.
Or rather TRYING to do this. Because Lois didn't go apeshit like Carrie did -- she refused to let their bullying upset her or make or change her position - she'd just politely respond to them, again and again.
That drove them BATSH#T CRAZY!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 22, 2012 - 07:23pm PT
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Holy Crap! Rox is gone! Burned at the stake! it's the spanish inquisition... tread lightly folks and keep yer head on a swivel!!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
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Isn't it OK to Have a Conversation on ST??
Are some people saying that conversations are not appropriate for ST?
Not even on an active Thread that Doesn't bump the other threads out?
I think its OK that we can a couple threads that we can have fun on and have Controversial Conversations.
Not to offend, I don't know you and really try to stay away from "THOSE" threads. But your avitar gives me the same feeling that I get when I see Roxjox. Sort of an "Ugh look at this blowheart". Again I don't know you ard have not read much or what you have written. So maybe I'm missing enlightenment, but I doubt it.
Take a look at your posts, in the first 3 pages you are only active in 1 climbing thread, briefly. The rest is politics.
CRIMPIE EDIT Actually in the last 200 posts, which took 10 days, you posted a total of 3 times in climbing related threrads. Twice in 1 thread, and once in another.
Do what you will, but I think you ought to take Chris's message, video, etc as a shot across the bow. Lighten up a little and at least look at a TR or 2. The folks who write those put a lot more time into those than the quick political jabs that clutter the front page.
Just my .02.
Prod.
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jstan
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
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Not fair Prod.
If you are going to go after someone, go after me. I post on climbing less than Crimper and post more on politics than does she. And I'll tell you why.
I am no longer interested in climbing. Not really. Honnold is frankly inspiring but his game is none of anyone else's business. I watched Ueli several times and probably saw most of his slips. In one the only thing that saved him was he had his elbow on the face. Our getting involved in what Ueli does is a travesty. That's his business. Steve's history is great but it is history.
The real travesty here is climbers, wonderful crew that they are and as they have always been, are still not focussed on the real problems that promise, in future, to keep them from climbing. They cannot even begin to raise their eyes from a perpetual study of their navels, and begin to come together.
There are few things as unimportant as whatever happens to be running through our brains- at the moment.
We have much work to do.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
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Hey jstan
I was not going after him. I was telling him what I obsereved. BTW in your last 20 posts you have more on topic posts than Dr F in 200.
Prod.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 22, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
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locker,
that was good!
i am still wondering where your self destruct mechanism is? (ie: big BLUE!) that should be good for a ban!
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Feb 22, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
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Where else can you discuss politics and religion?
There are Very few Opportunities outside ST, or zero for most of us.
Is that a joke?
top few hits on search:
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/content/
http://www.debatepolitics.com/forum.php
http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/index.php
http://www.big-boards.com/kw/religion/
Imagine going to one of those forums(Poster A), and wanting to know what people thought about land manager/recreational user relations. And when people said "Ummm, what? This is not a forum about that..." you replied, "Well, I know, but what do you think, anyway?"
And then one with a short fuse said "Are you stupid? This is a political forum. We don't care about that carp here. Get out!"
And then another said "Well, I think that person is sort of funny, and actually the issue IS vaguely political, though not really in the same vein as what we discuss here. I mean, some of us are land managers, and some of us are recreational users."
And then Poster A says "Yes! See? I am welcome here by some. So - do you think land managers should (whatever)? I've never owned land, but I do like going to the occasional campground. I know a land manager and he doesn't agree with me. But what do YOU think?
And so on.....
Also, I would like to have it noted that I have never emailed CMac asking for the gagging or banning of anyone, recently or otherwise.
And for those who are saying there are political and/or climbing vs non judgements going on, I think the OBVIOUS common denominator is neither of those things, but that the posters who have been deactivated have insisted on repeatedly jacking threads.
Any of us can accidentally do that, or do it in a whim and realize later we were out of line. But to knowingly do it, and when asked to stop instead ramp up? An do that behavior over and over???
Supertopo IS the best climbing forum out there, that I know of. The historical information archived here is impressive. It seems to me that the site has come to an apex - where thi sh#t can take it down, or the sh#t can get cleaned up, and the site continue on it's trajectory upward. I think it is smart of CMac to take the bull(shit) by the horns.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 22, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
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…with all fashionable respect for moral relativism, aren’t ST members in need of more concrete rules…or at least more k-k-kinda specific guidelines? These deactivations seem quite arbitrary.
Yeah, we get way beyond the tenets of common social propriety, here. The illusion of unaccountability…how to turn down that thermostat without wrecking spontaneity…
(or did the children of Israel really beg for the Ten Commandments?)
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Jorroh
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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I thought that you said that you weren't a Jtree crusty Locker?.....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:07pm PT
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Feeling better, Homy?
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jstan
climber
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
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I'd like to say four things:
1. No one has ever won an argument on ST.
2. A notarized certificate testifying that you won an argument on ST will, with five cents, get you a five cent cup of coffee.
3. We all like to imagine someone is listening.
4. People listen, only after they have been listened to.
Edit:
Definitely! A like button!
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
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Most of my posts get ignored.
Rectorsquid, what makes you think they are getting ignored?
There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of posts that I've read that I thought "good point" or "well-written" or "funny" but re-quoting the post and giving my little feedback would be tedious and extremely repetitive if multiplied by the other thousand people probably thinking the same thing.
That's why I would really like a "like" button option for each post.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Feb 22, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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I like that!
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