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healyje
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Portland, Oregon
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Aug 10, 2011 - 03:08pm PT
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Guys like David Yerushalmi, Frank Gaffney, and Daniel Greenfield are driving forces behind the current wave of bigotry, hate, and racism directed at muslims in the US. They've been pushing a bogus 'anti-Sharia' agenda in state legislatures which amounts to this cycle's Willie Horton. 'Sharia', like 'immigration' is simply Rovian-speak for election-driven hate speech.
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jstan
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Aug 10, 2011 - 04:50pm PT
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"ABOUT THE SOVEREIGN
The Sovereign is a monthly tabloid newspaper featuring incendiary content about current events and life. Called "The World's Only Truth Newspaper", The Sovereign features the alternative news you won't read anywhere else."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Aug 10, 2011 - 07:15pm PT
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Could be John.
Credit for the link, however, is due HFCS. HFCS is kind of a weird character. There is no part of the internet he has not poked into. I think he was the one who clued Klimmer into the back of the moon thing.
:-)
I've learned nothing from HFCS, except exceptional patience.
I was onto the the Apollo 20 story when it first broke in April 2007. Cmd. William Rutledge ("retiredafb"), if he is real and the story has any truth to it did for mankind an amazing thing. Regardless of the truth of story regarding Apollo 20, the mothership exists. Many official images from Apollo 15 and Apollo 17 and others verify it. It's big. It's massive. And it's not ours.
The Norway tragedy is very sad. Stuff like this shouldn't happen to anyone. Violence and hate of any kind is unChristian. He who claims to be a Christian and hates and uses violence against another human being or creature of GOD is not a Christian.
All you have to ask is "What would Jesus do?"
Many atrocities are done in GOD's name but he has nothing to do with it. They scapegoat GOD and use his name erroneously.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 10, 2011 - 07:20pm PT
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Klimmer, lets not take this thread in that direction. Jstan was just trying to give HFCS the credit for the link John and I talked about. Thats all.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 10, 2011 - 08:32pm PT
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Both Klimmer and HFCS are interesting sorts. If anything I said was interpreted as being other than fun, I must very sincerely apologize. Sometimes things get so serious we need a bit of whimsy. My bad.
I figured what I said was so far off the wall it could not be taken seriously.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 11, 2011 - 02:29am PT
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We return now to your regular programming, after something of a digression.
One interesting development is that Norwegian charities have noted considerably increased interest since 7/22, including more donations and members. One cause that has seen growth in donations has been famine relief for Somalia. A little light can overcome a lot of darkness.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/09/norwegians-more-giving-after-attacks/
However, there has been some news media criticism of the police response to the terrorist attacks. Response time and route, helicopter use and non-use, communications, etc. Whether there's anything to it remains to be seen, and the press do like to jump to conclusions. Also, the police may be the only relatively 'safe' subject to criticize.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/10/new-criticism-of-terror-response/
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 11, 2011 - 07:45pm PT
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The police response to criticism of their response:
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/11/police-answer-terror-critics/
Again, it should all come out in the enquiry. This is likely just preliminary jostling.
(The "Views and News from Norway" website seems a credible English language source on events in that country, from their perspective. Aftenposten used to have an English summary of news on its website, but that was cancelled a few years ago. News from Norway tries to take its place, but also has other sources.)
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 12, 2011 - 12:29pm PT
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The independent commission to investigate and report on the events of 7/22 has now been appointed, and must report by August 10th, 2012. There are ten members - nine Norwegians, plus one member with policing experience from Denmark. The commission has its own budget and secretariat. As its work will be very public, one hopes the commission will be painstaking and thorough. It seems like a credible group with the right sort of qualifications - it seems that opposition parties were at least consulted with regard to the appointments, and terms of reference for the commission.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/12/22-july-attacks-commission-appointed/
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 15, 2011 - 12:23pm PT
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The murderer was recently taken to Utøya, to help the police reconstruct what happened. There were fears that it would turn into a news media/public spectacle, but that did not occur. The island has been under police authority since July 22nd, but will be returned to the youth wing of the Labour Party next week. (Norway has a somewhat different legal system, based IIRC in part on the Napoleonic code. The rights of defendants are if anything better protected in reality than say in the US, but defendants also have some obligation to co-operate with the police and courts.)
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/14/gunman-returns-to-his-crime-scene/
The official period of mourning ends on August 21st. There will be a memorial and concert at the Oslo Spektrum on that date, featuring amongst other things a reunion performance by the band A-ha, the only Norwegian group ever to have a #1 hit in the US, in 1985.
A statement from band members Magne Furuholmen, Paul Waaktaar-Savoy and Morten Harket read, “on July 22, we were, like everyone else in Norway and the rest of the world, shaken to our very core by the cruelty of the events and the terrible provocation against everything we stand for. We are at the same time very proud to belong to a small country where people, politicians and the royal household are united and show solidarity in encountering such a tragedy, and we are grateful to have been asked about participating in the memorial concert. We do this in order to honour those that have been taken away from us, to pay tribute to everyone that did, and is still doing, an awe-inspiring job, and in order to show our sympathy for those left behind that are now in mourning.”
The memorial will be broadcast live by state television NRK, I suspect also on its website - perhaps even with English subtitles (?).
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/12/a-ha-reunite-for-memorial-concert/
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 19, 2011 - 02:34am PT
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There is a documentary on the events of 22nd July, on the NRK (Norwegian state television) website. In Norwegian only, AFAIK - maybe it's been posted to YouTube with subtitles? It includes a fair amount of footage from the summer camp on Utøya, beforehand. http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/774282/
There was a memorial event in Ballard (Seattle district, with lots of Scandinavians, and allegedly home of the largest syttende mai parade outside of Norway) on August 14th, called Alt for Norge ("Everything for Norway") - the motto of the immensely popular King Haakon VII.
Still haven't worked out if NRK will webcast the memorial on Sunday (4:00 AM PDT), outside Norway, or if so whether it would be subtitled in English.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Aug 19, 2011 - 09:12am PT
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optimism bleeds into despair
like the dawn colors upon an ink night sky.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 20, 2011 - 02:44am PT
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Well, in this case it might be initial grief, despair and anger slowly blending into something more positive, at least on a national level. For the families of the dead and injured it may be another thing. But Norway as a whole made a clear choice soon after 22nd July, as to how it would react.
The bereaved, survivors, and families of survivors and the dead, have reacted strongly against criticism of the police for their response to the murders on Utøya. Some are calling on the news media and others to end their "witch hunt" and sensationalism, and even have a FaceBook site with over 15,000 followers.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/19/survivors-mourners-and-police-defend-terror-response/
The weekend's memorial ceremonies began today with a visit to the island by survivors, families, and dignitaries. The official period of mourning ends on Sunday. The last funeral for one of the 77 dead was today - it was delayed while the young women's sister recovered from her wounds. Lots more at:
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/19/memorials-to-end-mourning-period/
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 22, 2011 - 01:31pm PT
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King Harald, speaking at the opening of the memorial yesterday. The ceremony was attended by the families of the dead and injured, police and emergency workers, the entire royal family, the Storting (parliament), the presidents and prime ministers of Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland, and many others. http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/21/mourning-monarch-topped-memorial/
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 22, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
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Prime Minister Stoltenberg, making an equally well-received speech at the end of the memorial.
“Today we’re stopping time to remember the dead,” Stoltenberg said when the applause finally died down. “We do this as one nation. Together we won over hate. Together we embraced openness, tolerance and fellowship.”
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/21/heros-welcome-for-prime-minister/
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 23, 2011 - 05:32pm PT
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The Health Department has now released full details as to the dead and wounded. 77 died in the attacks, 69 at Utøya and eight in Oslo from the bomb. 159 were injured, and six continue to receive significant medical care. The remainder have been released, or are now in local rehabilitation facilities.
There were about 500 people on Utøya when the murderer arrived. Almost all of the 69 who died there did so from gunshot wounds.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/08/23/health-chief-updates-casualty-figures/
The murderer last appeared in court on Friday, and continues to be held incommunicado, in Norway's maximum security prison. He is only permitted contact with his lawyer, a minister, a doctor, and prison officials, and that will continue for another four weeks, at least. His complaint that being held in isolation amounts to torture fell on deaf ears.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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One of the goals of the murderer was to cripple the Labour Party, which for much of the last 80 years has formed the government of Norway, or led coalition governments.
Since July 22nd, membership in the Labour Party has risen by nearly 8,000 members, or about 15%. Many of the new members are actively involved in the party, and haven't just joined out of sympathy.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/11/01/labour-party-membership-soars/
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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One glint of good news out of the tragedy.
Was remembering this horrorshow just the other day.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 16, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
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The murderer had his first public court appearance yesterday. A number of survivors of his attack were present in court. He started to rant about his fantasies, but was cut off several times by the judge. He was heavily guarded, and continues to be held in high-security, with little contact with the world.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/11/15/breiviks-altered-sense-of-reality/
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