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rrrADAM

Trad climber
LBMF
Mar 12, 2011 - 07:41pm PT
...it will have no effect on human, plant or animal life outside the fence.

I wouldn't go that far... If they don't get it under control, it can get a lot worse, and they can release quite abit... Not globally, or even regionally, but they could 'crap up' a 10 mile or so radius for some time.

It isn't getting better, it is getting worse.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 12, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
That being said, there is a big low plain from the harbor area to about the century freeway.

That is what I mean. L.A. could suffer very similar consequeces, dude. Thet Ghey Area has a buffer zone that protects us, you guys would get rocked!!!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 12, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
Klimmer, you were on the grassy knoll, weren't you?



Cragman,

Must I suffer such ad hominem attacks from you? Really?


If you must know, it was GOPer George Bush Senior's CIA buds.

They hated JFK because he was a good hearted honest Catholic man who loved his country, and who wanted to do great things for the nation, and bring an end to the Vietnam war.

He was everything they aren't.




But that is a whole other topic . . .
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Mar 12, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
hey there say, anastasia, thanks so much for sharing the positive strength... i would have posted a thank-you-hug, but i was falling asleep by then.... *we keep meeting up, on "support" type threads, :))


also, say!!!!

i GOT A PHONE CALL, while i was still near asleep:

my OTHER TWO FRIENDS have connacted us by email--the gal on the phone told me... i am so very very grateful, they are still alive to be a blessing to their families and/or loved ones... though, sadly, i know that thousands are not, we must accept joy, always, in finding life!! :) >:D<


next:
dear jan, oh yes, i see that.... my friends email, (have not seen the others' two, yet) but her heart was tender, sad, and commasionate, she was heavy laden for you country and countrymen, and not only for her self... a very calmer mourning, than some folks we have seen in other episodes of life... very humbled, she was...


lastly, to the newer folks, you are so kind to worry about tread drift, but supertopo is a "shifting current" as there are so many different hearts and spirits that flow about the river, here, so perhaps this will help:

say, all you supertopo folks, you know what, dear folks:conversation, as to mourning and sadness, always will shift to the "where, whys, and what to do's", it is a very human thing... it really is, and it is good to understand this... :)

those of us that know this, we purely and sweetly understand that any tread-drift here is not meant to disrespect those that died (as to tech stuff that you all share here)... feelings here, still encommpasses the pain and sorrow for those that have died (many here have faced the death of loved ones, and some, in very tragic ways--though they may hide this fact, to the newer folks)...
they all know, it could have been our loved ones--as we all know, as we are all fragile... :( we really DO need each other...

it is the just that the fact that the tech-words stay here "so powerful", and "bleak looking" or "textboook seemeing" that they seen to push-aside emotions as to humans, that is why it affects some folks so harshly, is all... *but we can still come in and share this, as well, (all for one, and one for all, like the ol' innocent childhood threemusketeer motto) :))


having worked with folks in conversation: thoughts and feelings always take rabbit trails... it leads to trying to help solve problems, and even let out "hidden feelings" to bring relief-of-burden, as to the subject of those that died...
and in the midst of it, there is always someone THERE to keep a reminder to the ones in pain, that may have to back out of the "word flow" for a bit... and we all draw them back in....

you have are doing what is a very human thing, dear folks:
now, the harder human thing, is:
sharing peace, in the midst of all of it...
(some climbers are more animated than others, right?) :)
climbing styles in life, vary, though the basics need followed...


the ol' supertopo is getting better and better at it,
and understanding this, and i commend you all....

now, to end my "mommy's heart", to you all:
you all care, caring just pops up in different ways, when folks are
suddenly faced with powerful things beyond our control....

god bless to you all!!!
and carry on in climber unity...

me, i got to run and see my two friends, how they are doing, i had to sleep all day, after keeping watch, and i will have joy
now, upon seeing that they have a chance at more life...

though, we must really pray about this nuclear stuff...

stuff so dangerous that i DO NOT understand (and would not ever try to learn about, unless you had graciously all shared it here, where it seemed to fit in, as the "time is happening" now,

happening sadly, to folks in japan, folks that need our love and prayers)...


hugs to jan, and all those in japan...
keep letting us know how you are...


*sorry for the MOMMY PREACHING HERE.... ;)
BUT i been doing it all my life, as i like to see folks run on a smooth
keel and help each other as a family... :)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:04pm PT
Neebee, Liz, we apprcieate your prayers, we really do.

Thank you. And may God bless those Japanese folk. They need some help!

We're in God's hands. May he have mercy upon us,,,,,


I'm sad.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:11pm PT
I'd like to show my respect for the men and women putting their lives on the line to control the radiation leak. They are full aware that their bravery may result in a painful death.

The point of the Luis Slotin reference.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:15pm PT


Japanese authorities rush to save lives, avert nuclear crisis
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 12, 2011 7:34 p.m. EST
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.quake/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Shirakawa, Japan (CNN) -- A meltdown may be occurring at one of the reactors at a damaged nuclear power plant in northeast Japan, a government official said Sunday morning, sparking fears of a widespread release of radioactive material at a time when rescuers are frantically scrambling to find survivors from the country's strongest-ever earthquake.

Toshihiro Bannai, an official with Japan's nuclear and industrial safety agency, said officials have injected sea water and boron into the reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi facility in an effort to cool its nuclear fuel. He expressed confidence that efforts to contain the crisis would be successful.




Edit:
This seems to be from earlier today. Seems the most current news is worse.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4767922



I hope so (in reference to containing the crisis).
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:37pm PT
Dr. F,

I doubt you would watch it but it is worth the watch just to find out the answer to your very question . . .


DVD: The Case for Faith, by Lee Strobel.


It answers the question why GOD would allow evil and bad things to happen and why doesn't he always intercede to save mankind. He does, but not the way we think he should. It isn't an easy thing to answer. It is a very deep theological question that gives many a very hard time to come to grips with. You have to learn who Lucifer is and why he hates GOD so. But rest assured Lucifer's days are numbered.


Now back to what is happening in Japan and what we can do to help . . .
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:38pm PT
re: demonization of nature
re: angelization of God

When cultures angelize God (He saved us!) and demonize nature (for sending us earthquakes, etc) is it all THAT surprising when these same cultures trash nature (e.g., abuse our National Parks or cut funding to protect them)?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:42pm PT
Dr. F, you are a FAIL...

try to keep your crap contained. You are not helping here. You should go!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:47pm PT
re: learning from this tragedy

In the future, people who live on coasts in earthquake tsunami country should have robust "body capsules" made of metal or kevlar to climb into. Similar to a safe room or basement for those areas which suffer hurricanes or tornadoes.

Of course, (1) they would float, (2) they would be opened from the inside; (3) they would be mountable in 30 seconds.

What a glaring oversight in hindsight. Kinda like not having a basement to turn to in the Midwest. Or not having raingear in your pigs on el cap in November.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:49pm PT
BASE104, I noticed that too!.. And I sit in the belly of the beast.

This is why I tell people to prepare. We're next!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
In the future, people who live on coasts in earthquake tsunami country should have robust "body capsules" made of metal or kevlar to climb into.

Made in chiner or here?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 12, 2011 - 08:58pm PT
Well the production will involve plastic resin and odors. CARB and EPA certainly won't let you manufacture them here.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 12, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
An important article with very interesting videos at the bottom of the article . . . 3 reactors have lost the ability to cool the video says.


Radiation risk from nuclear plant seen as worrisome, not critical . . .
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42047458/ns/world_news-asiapacific/




Core of quake-damaged reactor partially melts
Seawater poured in to cool reactor; 170,000 evacuated; venting starts at second reactor
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42044156/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
corniss chopper

climber
breaking the speed of gravity
Mar 12, 2011 - 09:24pm PT
Klimmer - We can only imagine the heroic efforts the Fukoshima workers
are going through. Dosimeter badge's showing big exposures. Knowing
that the job MUST get done because Japan and the world are counting on them.
Its a nightmare.

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 12, 2011 - 09:46pm PT
We can only imagine the heroic efforts the Fukoshima workers
are going through. Dosimeter badge's showing big exposures. Knowing
that the job MUST get done because Japan and the world are counting on them.
Its a nightmare.


Sooo true.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 12, 2011 - 11:23pm PT

CNN

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/12/japan-earthquake-live-blog-death-toll-rises-amid-widespread-destruction/

[9:54 p.m. ET, 11:54 a.m. Tokyo] A meltdown may have occurred at at least one nuclear power reactor in Japan, the country's chief cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, said Sunday.

He also said that authorities are concerned over the possibility of another meltdown at a second reactor.

"We do believe that there is a possibility that meltdown has occurred. It is inside the reactor. We can't see. However, we are assuming that a meltdown has occurred," he said of the No. 1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility. "And with reactor No. 3, we are also assuming that the possibility of a meltdown as we carry out measures."

Edano's comments confirm an earlier report from an official with Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, who said, "we see the possibility of a meltdown."

A meltdown is a catastrophic failure of the reactor core, with a potential for widespread radiation release. However, Toshihiro Bannai, director of the agency's international affairs office, expressed confidence that efforts to control the crisis would be successful.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Mar 12, 2011 - 11:29pm PT
North Hemisphere Jetstream Map:
http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif


Japanese WW2 Fire Balloons and how they got to the USA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon



Something to think about. Massive radiative cloud release (if things get a lot worse) into the jetstream could come our way. It is a possibility.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 12, 2011 - 11:42pm PT
The worst case has probably already happened.

Tokyo Electric ends up with the worlds largest concrete filled billion dollar paperweights and a few employees die in heroic efforts.

Best case,

Klimmer gets so hysterical he breaks his keyboard and goes silent.


Forgotten in all this are the potentially tens of thousands that have perished from acute dihydrogen monoxide toxicity.
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