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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
leading the away team, but not in a red shirt!
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Dec 12, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
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I just wanna whack somethin' with my as yet unknown # hammer.
Maybe a Vogon?
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 11:41pm PT
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No worries Dave.
Enjoy it,
Prod.
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YetAnotherDave
Trad climber
Vancouver, BC
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Dec 13, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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If it makes any difference I bought it before the list that had your name on #42 was posted, so I didn't know there was another interested bidder on that number.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:16am PT
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VERY IMPORTANT!
I have been getting a few e-mails wondering why their name is not on the above list. If you ordered a hammer but did NOT indicate a specific number choice then you are NOT on the above list. That list only shows people who had a desired number choice, not all numbers. If you ordered a hammer (but did not indicate a number choice) and received an invoice from The Vershke Group then you are set.
Also, Joseph and Theron are now sorting out the final issues prior to shipping. The reason some people have hammers already is they were involved in the build/assembly process.
Please be patient... you will all be bangin' soon!
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Disaster Master
Social climber
Born in So-Cal, left my soul in far Nor-Cal.
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:21am PT
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Must be fun...over a hundred mal-adjusted internet bound climbers pacing at home and firing off demented demands for promptness, delivery and numerology. Happy holidaze!
All those involved with gettting this done are amazing!
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Dec 13, 2010 - 12:12pm PT
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As of this morning it looks like we are 80%+ sold! There are a few of you who told me you are planning to send a check... don't delay too much longer. I have one on hold for you but if push comes to shove...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
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Just to follow up on Simon's comments. We are double checking all aspects of the hammer head heat treatment prior to shipping to be doubly sure the hammer you receive will serve you well for a lifetime. We had a few heads exhibit small cracks after heat treating. Some we didn't notice at first because they were so small. We've now gone back through and thoroughly gone over each and every hammer. We've also engaged a couple of heat treating experts and and conducted a number of empirical and hands-on tests.
The concern has been the possibility that some or all the heads may be too brittle and chip in use which could possibly injure someone. But our hands-on tests (by Theron, Roger, and myself) on a number of hammers reveal that isn't the case, the sharp milled edge on the face does flatten / mushroom slightly in use rather than chip and all the heads hardness tested to-date further verify we are in proper hardness zone.
Still we have been concerned about the cracks we have seen. Theron will post up more details but, according to the experts, it seems to be coming down to the fact that the 4330 steel alloy we used turns out to be sensitive to sharp pre-heat treatment stamping - in our case using a stamping die to put the serial numbers in the heads. Most of the cracks we've seen emanate from the serial numbers and it would seem stamping those sharp lines in the steel opened us up to cracking. In the end it's looking like maybe the whole serial number deal was not a good idea to accomodate. Such are life's lessons.
Theron should be wrapping up his investigation with the heat treating experts tomorrow, but from what we've heard so far it sounds like what's cracked has cracked and what hasn't won't. As soon as Theron finishes verifying that is the case with both heat treat experts we'll begin shipping. And as mentioned, Theron will post up more about the details.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 13, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
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A question. I've been looking for a new holster - the kind made of stiff plastic, that you put on a belt. No luck. Does anyone know where a good hammer holster can be bought?
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 13, 2010 - 09:13pm PT
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haha! that's funny Paul.
Anders, let me look in a pile of gear I have. I might have just what you are looking for.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
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Locker, that's the point of the exercise we're running at the moment - we don't want you or us to have to worry about a hammer if we ship you one.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 13, 2010 - 09:32pm PT
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Heaven help us if the hammers aren't all they're cracked up to be. So to speak.
I lost my old holster sometime in the last year, while working on a route restoration project at Squamish. None of the likely suspects seem to carry and sell them - I checked a bunch of stores and websites. Just your regular fairly stiff plastic holster, riveted.
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JMC
climber
oilfields of Sumatra
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Dec 13, 2010 - 09:38pm PT
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thread drift/clutter - Mighty Hiker, see PM about holster.
-John
malicious edit - you damn number fags, see what hell thou hath wrought!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Dec 13, 2010 - 09:52pm PT
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A holster like the old DOLT one, correct? That can be accommodated. I will post more tonight/tomorrow...
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John Mac
Trad climber
Littleton, CO
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Dec 13, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
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My name isn't on the list and I requested number 62 and confirmed it with my visa payment.
Any chance of that still happening since it appears available.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:57pm PT
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perhaps not too late to change my US shipping address to an alternate US shipping address in this case ? Who should I notify ?
Bruce M.
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squishy
Mountain climber
sacramento
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:07am PT
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figure out a different way to make the numbers next time...
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Strider
Trad climber
one of god's mountain temples.... ಠ_ಠ
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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A holster like the old DOLT one, correct? That can be accommodated. I will post more tonight/tomorrow...
You have piqued my interest...
-n
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:47am PT
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Still we have been concerned about the cracks we have seen. Theron will post up more details but, according to the experts, it seems to be coming down to the fact that the 4330 steel alloy we used turns out to be sensitive to sharp pre-heat treatment stamping - in our case using a stamping die to put the serial numbers in the heads. Most of the cracks we've seen emanate from the serial numbers and it would seem stamping those sharp lines in the steel opened us up to cracking. In the end it's looking like maybe the whole serial number deal was not a good idea to accomodate. Such are life's lessons.
4340 steel, I seem to recall.
The heat treat was done twice, to apparently account for a too soft condition based on hardness testing. Any idear of the hardness numbers before and after the second heat treat? The info in the other thread would indicate 45.3 to 46.5 and 46.6?
Forging, annealing, heat treat cycle and quench info might be interesting.
The only photo posted of a crack was near the "D" of the "D5" logo. Do you have any photo's of the cracks through the numbers?
Let's hope for a great outcome.
Thanks!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2010 - 12:58am PT
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I'll let Theron post up the details and pics. I believe the heads have tested out multiple time right in the ballpark of 45, but again I'll leave that to Theron. I bought three hammers and brought them home from the assembly weekend. My testing shows none of them are in any way brittle. I would say they are dead on the money and I've now beat all three half to death in my own tests, half of which were with one hammer pick down on concrete pieces and beating that one face-to-face with another hammer for a fair duration. All three are totally solid with the steel giving some on the sharp milled face edges just as one would expect; all three show wear consistent with my original A5.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 14, 2010 - 01:06am PT
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yeah, here's hoping for a great outcome.
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