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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 16, 2010 - 11:02am PT
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no more grazing on public lands!
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pc
climber
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Nov 16, 2010 - 11:29am PT
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I'm with Jaybro on that one ^^^^^^
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 11:40am PT
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Me too, pc:-)
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:16pm PT
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We're not so damned whiney as those great westerns in Montana and Idaho who mostly live on Federal handouts anyway - water, power and range land, all provided for the Rugged Individualists (LOL!!!1111) by the rest of America.
If you all don't like it up there, feel free to desist from the teat. Take no more, then you will know what its like to live free like we do in CA.
We're paying for your dole, so you will damn well do as we say.
Many thanks for providing us with water, power and range land, Dingus. It's true, we moaning idlers in the Rocky Mountains don't know how to live.
Please! We'll do anything you say!...You and your fellow Californians... please continue teaching us the lessons of rugged individualism. Please don't force us into learning how to "live free like you do in CA." :-)
Total per capita FEDERAL welfare spending--
From http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2009/04/per-capita-federal-welfare-expenditures.html
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Nov 16, 2010 - 01:42pm PT
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Welfare spending is only a drop in the bucket of total federal spending Jennie. Let's look at the whole picture:
Federal spending per dollar of tax received rank:
Alaska: 3 ($1.84 received per dollar of tax paid)
MT: 11
ID: 20 ($1.21 received per dollar of tax paid)
WY: 23
CA: 43 ($0.78 recieved per dollar paid)
Sure looks to me like the Californians are subisidizing you guys.
Source - http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html
Or try page xxii of the Consolidated Federal Funds report for similar data - http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/cffr-08.pdf
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 16, 2010 - 04:25pm PT
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I can't take this any more! In the interest of full disclosure, even though it's been told before;
Mojede = Elvis
AC = Batman
Rox = Ev Mecahm (yes, the former governor, makes it hard to get a job...) get back to us when you read the link you sited. Oh and I need a reliable car for my daughter...
Hawkeye = D.B. Cooper, he can afford to keep Rox on the payroll, behind the scenes.
Keep this in mind as you read these posts!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 04:29pm PT
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ok, (this kills me too RJ) but did you guys throwing out those statistics read what he posted?
Statistics manipulated like you guys are doing is a poor use of the art... a low population biases them quite dramatically when you consider the largest landholder in the State here is the Federal government, BY FAR, and they pay almost nothing for their HUGE Naval and Air Force bases and bombing ranges; and the Atomic Energy Labs they maintain here.
throw in power generation, etc. My guess is that you get a fair amount from WA and possibly OR.
EDIT:
jaybro that jump out of the plane into the night was awesome....
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 04:39pm PT
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And Cali has NO claim to being self sufficient in many things. Much of their water was/is stolen from other states, much of their electricity comes from outside their boundaries,
ok, last night i thought it was ironic to have an extinct bear on the flag, but hey, i bet some californians actually feel bad about that....and i dont want to beat up on californians today. but RJ did bring up an interesting point.
the point is that if large communities/counties/states (hard to decide where to divide) have to deal with your own stuff eg: Water, Sewage, Trash, Power Generation, etc. i think people would have more of an idea about the impacts of these services and the benefits.
i found it interesting that power from Grand Coulee Damn is not green in WA as it kills salmon, but is green energy in CA....WTF? (again not beating up on Cali).
people do not have an appreciation for a lot of utilities that then have impacts (pollution, waste, etc.)
alright sorry for the thread drift....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 16, 2010 - 05:04pm PT
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Nobody can tuck and roll like you, Hawk, though i'm sure that much cash serves as an airbag.
And yes, bring back the bear!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 16, 2010 - 05:56pm PT
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2010 - 07:09pm PT
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Again, I return from doing something useful to find that AC is still out monopolizing the thread by his very clever techniques of flippantly brushing aside a valid response, and posing another ridiculous question as his response. This thread has run its course.
AC-Don't you have a job? Are you just a welfare recipient with nothing better to do than ignore what you don't like and keep poking the hornet's nest with your own smug rejoinders? you need to pull your head out of your A$$ and get a life. Those of us who do have something "better to do" are tired to death of your endless, self-gratifying tirades.
I CAN terminate this thread anytime I so desire as the OP.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
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The infamous California Wolf.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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Sadly, the dire Wolf, Especially that one, truly is, extinct!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 17, 2010 - 04:15pm PT
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we all got Germs....
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Nov 17, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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If your DOG finds a turd, and sniffs it, HE will get the parasite, and BRING IT HOME TO YOU.
Do you have any links to cases like this?
or any other cases involving a wolf passing a disease to a human in a manner other than a bite?
Thanks
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 17, 2010 - 04:49pm PT
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Rox, are you honestly purporting on purpose, and in public, that there is a "huge epidemic" spread by wolves, of all things?
That is one ambitious troll! Imaginative, though.
Now, post overwhelming verbiage that no one will ever read.
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Nov 17, 2010 - 05:08pm PT
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I did read a bit, and looks like cases do exist, but are isolated and don't spread...no cases of 'epidemics' found...
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Nov 17, 2010 - 05:30pm PT
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its like brucellosis in bison...any excuse to kill whats undomesticated and wild..ranchers are, after all, the original "stewards" of the land. before them, only heathen injuns roamed the west, and for crissakes, they weren't making an money doing that. its kind of like west nile virus. everyone was going to catch it, but in the end, well, a whole lot of nothing.
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